If anyone has any extra info on this quest, please add it below and I'll edit it into this post.


LEVEL REQS

Level 5 Magic to use a Kanzo Teleport Orb/ Penteza Teleport Orb.


ITEMS NEEDED

KTO, PTO, 15500gp.


QUEST LOCATIONS

Starts at Kanzo, continues at Penteza, finishes at Heerchey Manor.


QUEST REWARDS

1) Ability to smith safes, giving limited gp protection from shop-thieving attempts

2) 5000 Trading xp

3) Ability to install safes in your shops


WHAT DO YOU DO?

Pay 5000gp to Melick at Kanzo, then do 500 timers of trading training (8-9 hours). Repeat this process with Alfred at Penteza, then finally with Balthazar at Heerchey Manor.

TRADING TIMER: 60 seconds.
XP GAINED: 10 Trading xp per timer.


NOTES

1) Watch out for thieves looking to rob you on your way to pay the quest fee!

2) You need to start the quest on Kanzo.

3) You'll need to run the Outlands to get from Penteza back to the mainlands, unless you spend 20k-ish gp on a Heerchey Teleport Orb.

4) If you die during any part of the quest, for example whilst running the Outlands between Penteza and Heerchey, the quest will reset and you'll have to start it again. This includes having to pay the 5000gp fees again.

5) If you haven't already completed the "Earning the Family Respect Quest", you'll have to pay Rob Timber 3000gp at Heerchey Manor before you can access Balthazar at Heerchey Manor. Doing so will automatically complete the "Earning the Family Respect Quest" without you having to dig up the diamond. This looks like a game bug, so might soon be removed.


QUEST DIALOGUE

Melick: "If you have the time, let me begin to teach you about the new technology we brought from foreign shores. It will cost you 5,000gp."

Pay Melick to teach you about safes.

Melick: "You won't regret buying this information."
Learn from Melick

You learned some information about safes.

Melick: "I have taught you all I can. You should go and see Alfred on Elven island to learn more about safes."


Alfred: "I see Melick has taught you what he could about safes. I am able to further your training. It will only cost you 5,000gp"

Pay Alfred to teach you more about safes.

Alfred: "You now know enough to begin the final stage of your training.. You should visit Balthazar on Heerchey island to finish your training."


Balthazar: "So Melick and Alfred have taught you the basics about safes? I will complete your knowledge. It will cost just 5,000gp"

Pay Balthazar to teach you the final information about safes.

Balthazar: "You have paid for my information. Return to me when you are ready to learn."

Balthazar: "You were wise to invest in the knowledge we brought back about safes. I am here to teach you."

Balthazar: "You now possess enough knowledge about safes to build and install them!"

You got 5000 trading experience.
You have completed the "Securing your shops" quest!


SHOP UPDATES ON QUEST COMPLETION

In your shops, there will now be a new option -
"Manage safes"

Manage safes
You currently have 0 safes.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes (level 27).

Install: Iron safe
You added 1 Iron safe to your shop!
You have 1 Iron safe. This will protect 55% of purchases up to 20,000gp

Manage safes
You currently have 1 Iron safe.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.
You can install 1 more Iron safe. Add 1 Iron safe

You have 2 Iron safes. This will protect 55% of purchases up to 40,000gp

Steel safes protect 60% of purchases up to 30,000gp each.

You have 1 Silver safe. This will protect 65% of purchases up to 40,000gp
You have 2 Silver safes. This will protect 65% of purchases up to 80,000gp
You have 3 Silver safes. This will protect 65% of purchases up to 120,000gp
You have 3 Gold safes. This will protect 70% of purchases up to 150,000gp
You have 1 Platina safe. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 60,000gp
You have 2 Platina safes. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 120,000gp
You have 3 Platina safes. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 180,000gp
You have 4 Platina safes. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 240,000gp
You have 1 Syriet safe. This will protect 80% of purchases up to 70,000gp
You have 2 Syriet safes. This will protect 80% of purchases up to 140,000gp
You have 1 Obsidian safe. This will protect 85% of purchases up to 80,000gp


GP STORAGE AND GP THIEVING WITH SAFES

Two purchases were made from a shop for 494 gold and 260 gold (754gp)

Shop menu now shows:

Withdraw the 754 gold from the shop. <----This is a link
(414 in safes) <---- This is not a link

The gp shown in the shop in the STATS pop-up only shows gp that is NOT in the safe.

For example:

Withdraw the 11600 gold from the shop.
(6379 in safes)

Stats show 5221 in the shop.

A successful thieving:

[1] 19:04 *****[*****]: You have successfully thieved the shop and got 1071 gold!

Gold in safes remained intact. Total balance was reduced by 1071.


SMITHING SAFES

Smiths who haven't done the quest don't appear to have the option to smith safes.

Smithing xp for making safes (all require 6 bars per safe):

Syriet: 300 xp
Platina: 225 xp
Gold: 180 xp
Silver: 36 xp
Steel: 23 xp
Iron: 15 xp
Bronze: 8 xp


MAX INSTALLMENTS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS

Level 19 - 1 Iron Safe.
Level 20 - 2 Steel Safes.
Level 27 - 2 Silver Safes.
Level 30 - 3 Silver Safes.
Level 35 - 3 Gold Safes.
Level 40 - 4 Platina Safes.
Level 45 - 4 Syriet Safes.
Level 50 - 5 Obsidian Safes.


SAFE IMAGES

http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Bronze%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Iron%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Steel%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Silver%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Gold%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Platina%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Syriet%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Obsidian%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Puranium%20safe.gif

You need level 5 magic to use the Orbs

If I die trying to cross the ol for the "Visit Balthazar on Heerchey island" part of the quest do i need to start over from the "Pay 5000gp to Melick on Kanzo" Do i have to pay the 5K over too? Thanks

No.

so if in fact you gain thief protection for your shop from this quest,does it lower the % a thief has of getting items or just gold or both?
and if it is a % can anyone fill us in on twhat % it is or if its blanket protection meaning a fail everytime on items or gold?

@MMAD419
When I died after having done some of the Bluebell 2 quest, I had to give her another amber gem to get back to where I was, so I'd say that if you have to pay 5k as part of the quest (and not just to access the quest like with the Rose Gate pass) then you would have to pay it again.

This slow poke died in the OL and the quest was not reset. Never even thought of that until I read this post, lol. Glad it didn't reset because I would never get across the OL with my dumb satellite internet. About 2 to 3 seconds per step out there.

No trade level requirements? Heard somewhere about a lvl 25 needed ?

I finished the quest, but apparently I didn't learn anything because I see the new link in the shop, but I have no idea what to do with it.

The Heerchey part of the quest is at Heerchey manor.

That shouldn't be hard to figure out, but it is a detail you can add.

*SPOILER ALERT*

Melick: "If you have the time, let me begin to teach you about the new technology we brought from foreign shores. It will cost you 5,000gp."

Pay Melick to teach you about safes.

Melick: "You won't regret buying this information."
Learn from Melick

Trading level: 26 (92441 exp, 12449 for next level)
There are 17 other players working here.

You learned some information about safes.

You gained 10 trading experience.
There are 17 other players working here.

Learn from Melick at Kanzo (499 left)

Melick: "I have taught you all I can. You should go and see Alfred on Elven island to learn more about safes."

Alfred: "I see Melick has taught you what he could about safes. I am able to further your training. It will only cost you 5,000gp"

Pay Alfred to teach you more about safes.

Alfred: "Now you have paid for the information I will teach you what I know when you're ready."

Alfred: "This is a bit more advanced but I'm sure you can learn it if you try hard."
Learn from Alfred

You learned some information about safes.

You gained 10 trading experience.


Learn from Alfred at Penteza (499 left)

Alfred: "You now know enough to begin the final stage of your training.. You should visit Balthazar on Heerchey island to finish your training."

Balthazar: "So Melick and Alfred have taught you the basics about safes? I will complete your knowledge. It will cost just 5,000gp"

Pay Balthazar to teach you the final information about safes.

Balthazar: "You have paid for my information. Return to me when you are ready to learn."

Balthazar: "You were wise to invest in the knowledge we brought back about safes. I am here to teach you."
Learn from Balthazar

Learn from Balthazar at Heerchey manor (498 left)

You learned some information about safes.

You gained 10 trading experience.


Balthazar: "You now possess enough knowledge about safes to build and install them!"

You got 5000 trading experience.
You have completed the "Securing your shops" quest!

At Shop there is a new option:

Safe Manage safes

Manage safes

You currently have 0 safes.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.

Install:
Iron safe

You added 1 Iron safe to your shop!

You have 1 Iron safe. This will protect 55% of purchases up to 20,000gp

Manage safes

You currently have 1 Iron safe.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.

You can install 1 more Iron safe. Add 1 Iron safe

Upgrade to:

You have 2 Iron safes. This will protect 55% of purchases up to 40,000gp

Manage safes

You currently have 2 Iron safes.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.

Upgrade to:

Smiths who haven't done the quest don't appear to have the option to smith safes.

Smithing Menu:
Iron safe (6 bars)
15 exp.

Steel safes protect 60% of purchases up to 30,000gp each.

Thanks so much for the info Greensky!

very nice,ok so im guessing the higher your lvl the higher lvl safe you can add and the more % of your gold you can protect.
i can live with that ,so long as items are still fair game.

So...this is a protection for your gold in the shops.....but not for the items. Right?

Yes Gerula

You have 2 Iron safes. This will protect 55% of purchases up to 40,000gp

say you have 2 iron safes as said, does this mean that if a shop has <22,000gp then nothing will be stolen, ordoes it mean that the 'normal' amount stolen is reduced by 55%?
i'm thinking the first but i haven't read anything to make this 100% clear yet

Zoef - I agree, it looks like it means the former to me.

EDIT: thinking about it, 55% of whatever is in the shop at any given time being safe makes more sense.

Edited on 22-01-2013 22:16

Hope it means that successes are 55% lower rather than straight up not being able to thieve any gold if there is only "22,000gp" or what ever the stated amount is... because if that's the case shop thieving for the most part will now be dead.

Can we please get some clarification on this Haz? it is much needed because no one seems to know.

No one seems to know because it's new. We'll figure it out JLock. Experiment!


And I also have a question. "Pay 5000gp to Melick at Kanzo, then do 500 timers of trading training (8-9 hours)."

Does the initial 5000 gold pay for the 500 timers so they're free, or do you have to do the standard pay-(X)gold-each-timer in addition to the 5000 gold paid to Melick?

Edited on 22-01-2013 23:58

The timers are free once the initial payment has been made

My understanding of the description is that 55% of the gold earned from purchases will get put into the safe. Say someone buys something worth 100 gold: 55 gold will be put into the safe and the other 45 gold will be put into the till where it can be stolen with exactly the same success chance and distribution.

shoplifting wont be dead, just the stupidity of stealing your own purchases will be dead. robbers do not go to shops, spend theeir money and then steals what they pay.
Maybe a new era of shops being a factor in the game will start at last.

thanks to all involved in finally doing something about this!

To clarify, it seems that only gp added to the shop through purchases AFTER the safes are installed will go into the safes.

I'm only guessing here, but you can withdraw the gp that isn't in the safes and leave the gp in the safes; therefore leaving 100% of the gp protected in the safes. Any future purchases, however, will be split between the safe and shop's gold.

Personally, I think this is a great addition and means that more shops will be open.

http://tinyurl.com/bfgq82t

Iron safe

http://tinyurl.com/bfgq82t

Iron safe

Anyone aware if these are tradable?

http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Syriet%20safe.gif

Syriet safe

Also does anyone know what smithing levels you need to make each safe? and can they be made and sold like other smithed items?

http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Puranium%20safe.gif

purple safe XD

It appears that the smithing levels are the same for other materials; although I'm not sure if you can make them at the same level as a cauldron, e.g., or if you need to be a little higher into the material.

More info...

You have 2 Iron safes. This will protect 55% of purchases up to 40,000gp

Two purchases from shop for 494 gold and 260 gold.

Shop menu now shows:

Withdraw the 754 gold from the shop. <----This is a link
(414 in safes) <---- This is not a link

Thanks to the Anascoians for helping out with this project.


EDIT: And an interesting side note... the gp shown in the shop in the STATS pop-up only shows the gp that is not in the safe.

Withdraw the 11600 gold from the shop.
(6379 in safes)

Stats show 5221 in the shop.

EDIT 2: A successful thieving:

[1] 19:04 *****[*****]: You have successfully thieved the shop and got 1071 gold!

Gold in safes remained intact. Total balance was reduced by 1071.

Upgrading Safes:

Manage safes

You currently have 2 Iron safes.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.

Upgrade to:
Silver safe

You added 1 Silver safe to your shop!

You have 1 Silver safe. This will protect 65% of purchases up to 40,000gp

You currently have 1 Silver safe.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.

You can install 1 more Silver safe. Add 1 Silver safe

You added 1 Silver safe to your shop!

You have 2 Silver safes. This will protect 65% of purchases up to 80,000gp

You currently have 2 Silver safes.
With your trading level you can install up to 2 Silver safes.

After upgrading to the first silver safe, the iron safes no longer existed in the shop menu or in my inventory.

Edited on 23-01-2013 17:09

Edited on 23-01-2013 19:23

Edited on 23-01-2013 19:25

http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Bronze%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Iron%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Steel%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Silver%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Gold%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Platina%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Syriet%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Obsidian%20safe.gif
http://www.syrnia.com/images/inventory/Puranium%20safe.gif

Edited on 25-01-2013 14:28

Not sure if its here or not, 6 steel bars per safe, 23 xp per

at level 45 trading:

With your trading level you can install up to 4 Syriet safes.

You have 1 Syriet safe. This will protect 80% of purchases up to 70,000gp
You have 2 Syriet safes. This will protect 80% of purchases up to 140,000gp

smithing exp for making safes (all require 6 bars per safe):

syriet: 300 exp
platina: 225 exp
gold: 180 exp
silver: 36 exp
steel: 23 exp
iron: 15 exp
bronze: 8 exp

Edited on 27-01-2013 22:33

With your trading level you can install up to 6 Puranium safes.

A small tidbit, crowding while doing the quests doesn't increase the timer. Also, anyone know the levels to make the safes?

With your trading level you can install up to 1 Iron safe. (17)

Edited on 14-02-2013 03:01

I have a speculation on the safes.. People have been trading around safes with +X durability, so is it that you get a safe back (durability is reduced by 1) when you upgrade to the next level safe?

If you sell a shop the safes will be destroyed inside.
Like others here I've guessed at some of the uses, nope I'm wrong.

Level 41, can add up to 4 platina safes in shop!

What about changing platina for syriet when I'll be level 45?? I cannot see a "safe removal link" when I'll achieve this level!

What about smithing those dura? Does this mean they can break? Do thieves are able to lockpick those?

THX for the answers.

I can confirm from first-hand experience that partly-finished quests, including this most recent one, reset upon death. Although I did finish the Kanzo stage, I now have to start over and fork out another 5k. The mining actions of the two-part Hidden forest quest I had completed, but that has been vaporized as well. Just for public info ~

I can confirm from first-hand experience that partly-finished quests, including this most recent one, reset upon death. Although I did finish the Kanzo stage, I now have to start over and fork out another 5k. The mining actions of the two-part Hidden forest quest I had completed, but that has been vaporized as well. Just for public info ~

Trading 40 436381 17655

With your trading level you can install up to 4 Platina safes.

You have 1 Platina safe. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 60,000gp
You have 2 Platina safes. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 120,000gp
You have 3 Platina safes. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 180,000gp
You have 4 Platina safes. This will protect 75% of purchases up to 240,000gp

If you asked me its not worth it :/

At level 19 you can add 1 Iron Safe, and at Lv20 you can add 2 Steel safes. Maybe it was 1 Steel safe at Lv19 and I didn't notice, but I'm pretty sure it was Iron...

~Atom

Thank you, so much Kari for this very helpful guide !

Thanks!

My Quests page shows

"Securing your shops ........ Visit Balthazar on Heerchey island"

but I cannot find Balthazar in Heerchey manor, in Heerchey docks, nor in McGoogins site. There's only Rob Timber in Heerchey manor. Perhaps the quest Earning the family respect is a pre-requisite.. and would mean that I did not bring enough gp, nor patience.

btw, the TLgrounds guide on Earning the family respect says it starts with an NPC in Ancestral mountains, but I find none there.

My Quests page shows

"Securing your shops ........ Visit Balthazar on Heerchey island"

but I cannot find Balthazar in Heerchey manor, in Heerchey docks, nor in McGoogins site. There's only Rob Timber in Heerchey manor. Perhaps the quest Earning the family respect is a pre-requisite.. and would mean that I did not bring enough gp, nor patience.

btw, the TLgrounds guide on Earning the family respect says it starts with an NPC in Ancestral mountains, but I find none there.

I have finished the Trading Quest, but have not finished the Family Respect Quest. I did pay Rob Timber before I attempted to do the Trading Quest though. IIRC, I had to pay him before I could do the Lost cave event on Heerchey way back during the original event.

Edited on 18-03-2014 11:43

ah brilliant, cheers Ziva!

ah so that's what's happening! I didn't even bother with that Lost ca.. actually I think I did, but I just did not do enough actions to qualify for the reward.. gah! so I have to pay Rob Timber again x.x anyway, cheers Ziva!

Thanks guys, I've updated the guide to include the Rob Timber info

I finally returned to Heerchey manor with the 3,000 gp bribe money for Rob Timber, so that he'd finally let me see Balthazar. Paid him and.. nope, no Balthazar! Only the link I got a present for the Lady Heerchey x.x I am neither prepared nor willing to complete the rest of Earning the family respect! So in my displeasure I clicked on that link expecting that I should be sent packing to Arch. caves. But to my surprise..

[copy]
Rob Timber: "Mylade, I want to introduce Treize to you, he got a gift for you"
You give the lady your Diamond shaped glass
Lady Heerchey: "Wow, a diamond? You must be a mighty and rich person, why haven't I heard your name before?
I'm sorry if my guards have been rude to you, feel free to visit our lands more often...And don't forget to visit me once in a while..."

You gained acces to the Ancestral mountains and the archeological cave.

You got 500 mining experience.
You got 1000 speed experience.
You have completed the "Earning the family respect" quest!
[/paste] (yes, pasted text includes all the spelling errors)

haha brilliant! Stand aside, peasant! Finally, I find myself able to proceed with what I came here for..

[copy]
Balthazar: "So Melick and Alfred have taught you the basics about safes? I will complete your knowledge. It will cost just 5,000gp"

Pay Balthazar to teach you the final information about safes.
[/paste]

Now in self-imposed exile for ~8 hours, lol

I forgot to copy the text but + Dura safes Do Not seem to work i assume you get the smithing xp but didnt make mine bought two +1 dura/clean from shops. under Manage & Install safes all the text is there/correct but when i had +1 dura iron safe like it said i could install the link didnt show up but clean iron safe in inventory the link does show up and works. odd how only smithed item in game that becomes useless if lucky with +dura lol XD

You have 1 Obsidian safe. This will protect 85% of purchases up to 80,000gp

level 50 trading
With your trading level you can install up to 5 Obsidian safes.

Edited on 16-10-2014 01:00