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This thread has been created to provide players with a reference as to which Monster Combat Areas or individual Monsters they could fight based on their own Combat Levels and Maximum Health Points.

In addition to providing players with recommended Combat Levels and recommended Health Points, we hope it will help to reduce the amount of the most common combat related questions which appear the Game Help Channel [5] each day.

All Combat Level recommendations for each Monster or Combat Area are provided to give average Experience gains and average Food usage while training. If you train with higher Combat Levels you should see higher Experience gains and lower food consumption. It is possible to fight each Monster or fight at each Combat Area with a lower Combat Level, but you should expect to use more food.

All the Health Point recommendations are intended to help the player avoid being killed in 1 Hit by the Monster, Auto Attack Monster or highest level Monster at each Combat Area when the player has Full Health.

Please be aware that the info given in this guide is meant to be used as a reference only, and while we have tried to keep the details as reasonably accurate as possible, we cannot be responsible for any deaths.

You should prepare yourself for Combat with sufficient food and spare Armour, storing all your resources and valuables in your houses in case of death. Please note that if you die, your items fall to the ground for others to pick up

If you see any info which you feel is inaccurate, please forward a ticket to the Forum Department.


Combat Areas

This first section gives the recommended Combat Levels (CL), Health Points (HP), the Monster names/Auto Attack names and Monster Level for each of the Monster Combat areas.

The order in which Combat Areas have been listed are the recommended stages that you could choose to fight as you progress in Combat. Some areas have been divided, Skulls Nose and Ketil for example, as the different Combat links require different Combat Levels and Health Points.

The link to take you to commence Combat is shown as it appears in the Town/location screen in italics and you should take care that you wish to fight before you click it!

Valera (Remer Island)

Combat link appears as Training grounds

A choice of 3 individual Monsters.

Recommended
CL1	4HP	Rats	(1)
CL5	4HP	Giant Spiders	(2)
CL10	5HP	Gnomes	(4)

**You cannot select to fight Rats once you reach CL10**
Giant Spiders are considered a waste of food



Skulls Nose (Skull island)

Combat link appears as Recruit pirates

While this option isn't an actual Combat Area, as long as there are resources in the Pirate Stockpile you can Recruit Pirates to gain 5 Combat Exp in all 4 of your Combat Skills, but there are Combat Level requirements to train the different pirates

(thanks to pete and the tlgrounds.com fansite for this info)

Pirate Training
Pirate	Combat level 8+ required
Dread pirate	Combat level 11+ required
Keelhails pirate	Combat level 21+ required
Roughneck pirate	Combat level 24+ required
Peglegs	Combat level 34+ required
Buccaneer Pirate	Combat level 47+ required
Hooked Pirate	Combat level 60+ required

Lemo Woods (Dearn Island)

Combat link appears as Enter the woods

Recommended CL10 - 6HP

Random fight order
Giant Spiders	(2)
Fox	(3)
Cobra	(4)
Gnomes	(4)
Bats	(6)

Jungles Edge (Serpenthelm Island)

When arriving at Jungles Edge, Thick Jungle or Rose Mines you will face 1 Auto Attack Monster from the list below.

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL12 - 8HP

Random Auto Attack order
Tree Viper	(7)
Lizard	(7)
Python	(9)
Black Panther	(9)

Combat link appears as Patrol

Recommended CL12 - 8HP

Random Auto Attack order
Tree Viper	(7)
Lizard	(7)
Python	(9)
Black Panther	(9)

Skulls Nose (Skull Island)

Combat link appears as Start a barfight

Recommended CL14 - 10HP

Random fight order
Pirate	(6)
Dread Pirate	(12)

Deep Lemo woods (Dearn Island)

Combat link appears as Enter the Deep woods

Recommended CL15 - 14HP

Random fight order
Wild Dog	(9)
Wolf	(12)
Bear	(15)

Ogre Outpost (Ogre Caves)

Combat link appears as Fight the outpost

Recommended CL20 - 15HP

Random fight order
Barghrag	(14)
Vorgh	(18)

Sorer Lair (Webbers Island)

Combat link appears as Attack the spiders

Recommended CL20 - 15HP

Random fight order
Sorer Spiderling	(15)
Sorer Hunter	(17)
Sorer Queen	(19)

Exella plain (Elven Island)

Combat link appears as Fight available warriors

Recommended CL25 - 16HP

Random fight order
Half Elf	(16)
Exiled Elf	(19)
Elven Warrior	(20)
Dark Elf	(22)

Berian (Mezno Island)

Combat link appears as Fight in the mountains

Recommended CL25 - 16HP

Random fight order
Rogue	(18)
Assassin	(20)
Witch Doctor	(24)

Ketil (Exrollia Island)

Auto Attacks at every location on this island except when sailing to the port

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL20 - 16HP

Random Auto Attack order
Wadjet	(20)
Pterosaurus	(22)

A choice of 3 individual Monsters Combat link appears as Combat training

**Note - The 3rd Monster at Ketil is recommended further down the list**

Recommended CL25 - 18HP

Oviraptor	(22)
Hadrosaurus	(24)

Recommended CL35 - 20HP

Grey Bat

(27)

Ogre Town (Ogre Caves)

Combat link appears as Fight the ogres

Recommended CL30 - 18HP

Random fight order
Barghrag	(14)
Vorgh	(18)
Vururth	(22)
Rorghark Bonebreaker	(25)

Thick Jungle (Serpenthelm Island)

When arriving at Jungles Edge, Thick Jungle or Rose Mines you will face 1 Auto Attack Monster from the list below.

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL12 - 8HP

Random Auto Attack order
Tree Viper	(7)
Lizard	(7)
Python	(9)
Black Panther	(9)

Combat link appears as Attack the village

Recommended CL30 - 18HP

Random fight order
Lizardman	(20)
Lizardwoman	(20)
Lizard Shaman	(22)
Lizard Chief	(25)

Arch. Cave NE (Heerchey Island)

Enter the cave system at McGoogins site by starting the "Earning the family respect" quest

Combat link appears as Fight some bats

Recommended CL35 - 20HP

Random fight order
Black Bat	(22)
Grey Bat	(27)

Ketil (Exrollia Island)

Auto Attacks at every location on this island except when sailing to the port

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL20 - 16HP

Wadjet	(20)
Pterosaurus	(22)

Combat link appears as Combat training

A choice of 3 individual Monsters **Note - This is the 3rd Monster at Ketil**

Recommended CL35 - 20HP

Grey Bat

(27)

Arch Cave 2 (Heerchey Island)

Enter the cave system at McGoogins site by starting the "Earning the family respect" quest

Enter Arch Cave 2 via Arch Cave SE.

Arch Cave 2 has a random Auto Attack at each location

Recommended for Auto Attacks	CL40 - 25HP
Black Bat	(22)
Stone Gaman	(24)
Starving Spider	(30)
White Bat	(32)
Iron Scaled Gaman	(level 33)
Koban Miner	(level 34)

Exella Mountain (Elven Island)

Combat link appears as Fight the giants here

Recommended CL40 - 25HP

Baby Khug Giant	(21)
Khug Giant	(26)
Dasem Giant	(28)
Baby Canlo Giant	(36)
**Canlo Giant	(80)

**Quest only - CL40 - 40HP


Arch. Cave S (Heerchey Island)

Enter the cave system at McGoogins site by starting the "Earning the family respect" quest

Combat link appears as Fight white bats

Recommended CL45 - 25HP

White bat

(32)

Kaldra (Kanzo Island)

Combat link appears as Enter the fortress

Recommended CL50 - 30HP

Random fight order
Chippeway	(27)
Dark Widow	(31)
Centaur	(38)
Gorgon Cloaker	(44)

Mordor Cave (Exrollia Island)

Auto Attacks at every location on this island except when sailing to the port

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL20 - 16HP

Random Auto Attack order
Wadjet	(20)
Pterosaurus	(22)

Combat link appears as Fight

Recommended CL50 - 30HP

Random fight order
White Bat	(32)
Koban Mothman	(36)
Griffin	(44)

Arch. Cave 3 (Heerchey Island)

Enter the cave system at McGoogins site by starting the "Earning the family respect" quest

Enter Arch Cave 2 via Arch Cave SE

Enter Arch Cave 3 via Arch Cave 2.20

Arch Cave 3 has a random Auto Attack at each location

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL50 - 42HP

Stone gaman	(24)
Starving spider	(30)
Iron scaled gaman	(33)
Koban miner	(34)
Steel Scaled Gaman	(52)
Koban Protector	(58)
Gold Scaled Gaman	(66)

Beset Catacombs (Anasco Island)

Complete the "Clearing the Tomb" quest at Beset to gain access to the Catacombs

Combat link appears as Fight

Recommended CL70 - 45HP

Random fight order
Giant Scarab	(50)
Mummy	(55)
Undead Priest	(57)
Serpopards	(60)

Arch Cave 4 (Heerchey Island)

Enter the cave system at McGoogins site by starting the "Earning the family respect" quest

Enter Arch Cave 2 via Arch Cave SE

Enter Arch Cave 3 via Arch Cave 2.20

Enter Arch Cave 4 via Arch Cave 3.25

Arch Cave 4 has a random Auto Attack at each location

Recommended for Auto Attacks CL50 - 42HP

Steel Scaled Gaman	(52)
Koban Protector	(58)
Gold Scaled Gaman	(66)

There are also Dinosaurs you can choose to fight at certain times in random locations.
Each "Round" has a 30 second Combat Timer.
These Monsters are also group fights, meaning other players can attack the same Monster. While in a group fight the Monster will attack one player at random, which can help you use less food, as you avoid taking damage while another player is hit by the Monster. You will still get to attack the Dinosaur, but you'll take no damage if it hits another player. If you are fighting alone then you will take every return hit as normal.

Having a high amount of Health Points is very important against Dinosaurs.

Recommended

CL50 - 50HP	Waranerus	(128)
CL50 - 55HP	Honurus	(149)
CL60 - 60HP	Stemosaurus	(183)
CL70 - 65HP	Roodarus	(211)

Forum -> Help -> Inside the Caves - Lost Caves and Arch Caves 5 is an excellent guide by NateHarper, which covers all aspects of this area in great detail and well worth reading

Individual Monsters

This section gives a recommended Combat Level (CL), recommended Health Points (HP), the Monsters name and Monsters Level during Quests and Invasions.

The Combat Level recommendations are listed as a priority for invasions due to prolonged and multiple fights.

The Quests monsters are also listed with a recommended Combat Level incase you can fight them in an invasion, and may include a lower Combat Level recommendation to fight them in limited numbers during the quest itself.

Bear in mind that while fighting individual Monsters the average damage may be higher, and therefore the Food used will most likely be higher than the random Monsters at each of the Combat Areas.

The recommended individual Combat Levels may differ from the recommendations in the Combat Areas section.

Recommended CL	Recommended HP	Monster name	Monster level
CL1	4HP	Rat	(1)
CL1	4HP	Bug	(1)
CL5	4HP	Giant Spider	(2)
CL6	4HP	Fox	(3)
CL10	5HP	Cobra	(4)
CL10	5HP	Gnome	(4)
CL10	5HP	Santa Gnome	(4)
CL10	5HP	Halloween Gnome	(4)
CL10	5HP	Young Eagle	(5)
CL10	5HP	Rabid Bunny	(5)
CL12	6HP	Bat	(6)
CL12	6HP	Pirate	(6)
CL12	7HP	Lizard	(7)
CL12	7HP	Tree Viper	(7)
CL12	7HP	Big Bad Bug	(7)
CL12	8HP	Werewolf	(8)
CL12	8HP	Bandit	(8)
CL12	8HP	Lost Panther	(9)
CL12	8HP	Black Panther	(9)
CL12	8HP	Feral Reindeer	(9)
CL12	8HP	Python	(9)
CL12	8HP	Wild Dog	(9)
CL14	9HP	Skeleton	(11)
CL14	9HP	Halloween Witch	(11)
CL14	10HP	Dread Pirate	(12)
CL14	10HP	Wolf	(12)
CL14	12HP	Evil Elf	(13)
CL14	13HP	Barghrag	(14)
CL15	15HP	Bear	(15)
CL15	15HP	Sorer Spiderling	(15)
CL16	15HP	Half Elf	(16)
CL18	15HP	Sorer Hunter	(17)
CL18	15HP	Keelhails Pirate	(18)
CL18	15HP	Vorgh	(18)
CL18	15HP	Rogue	(18)
CL18	15HP	Elder Eagle	(18)
CL20	15HP	Exiled Elf	(19)
CL20	15HP	Sorer Queen	(19)
CL20	15HP	Headless Zombie	(19)
CL20	16HP	Elven Warrior	(20)
CL20	16HP	Assassin	(20)
CL20	16HP	Bouncing Bunny	(20)
CL20	16HP	Lizardman	(20)
CL20	16HP	Lizardwoman	(20)
CL20	16HP	Wadjet	(20)
CL20	16HP	Skeletal Hound	(20)
CL22	16HP	Baby Khug Giant	(21)
CL22	16HP	Scrooge	(21)
CL22	16HP	Bunyip	(21)
CL22	17HP	Dark Elf	(22)
CL22	17HP	Black Bat	(22)
CL22	17HP	Vururth	(22)
CL22	17HP	Lizard Shaman	(22)
CL22	17HP	Oviraptor	(22)
CL22	17HP	Pterosaurus	(22)
CL25	18HP	Stone Gaman	(24)
CL25	18HP	Witch Doctor	(24)
CL25	18HP	Roughneck	(24)
CL25	18HP	Hadrosaurus	(24)
CL30	18HP	Rorghark Bonebreaker	(25)
CL30	18HP	Lizard Chief	(25)
CL30	18HP	Khug Giant	(26)
CL35	20HP	Grey Bat	(27)
CL35	20HP	Chippeway	(27)
CL35	21HP	Dasem Giant	(28)
CL35	23HP	Starving Spider	(30)
CL35	23HP	Polar Bear	(30)
CL35	24HP	Dark Widow	(31)
CL40	25HP	White Bat	(32)
CL40	25HP	Iron Scaled Gaman	(33)
CL40	25HP	Koban Miner	(34)
CL40	25HP	Pegleg	(34)
CL40	25HP	Big Bad Bunny	(35)
CL40	25HP	Baby Canlo Giant	(36)
CL40	25HP	Koban Mothman	(36)
CL40	26HP	Centaur	(38)
CL45	26HP	Giant Polar Bear	(38)
CL45	27HP	Ghastly Zombie	(39)
CL50	30HP	Gorgon Cloaker	(44)
CL50	30HP	Griffin	(44)
CL50	30HP	Possessed Skeleton	(45)
CL50	32HP	Buccaneer	(47)
CL52	33HP	Giant Scarab	(50)
CL58	35HP	Steel Scaled Gaman	(52)
CL60	37HP	Mummy	(55)
CL62	38HP	Undead Priest	(57)
CL62	38HP	Koban Protector	(58)
CL65	40HP	Serpopards	(60)
CL65	40HP	Hooked Pirate	(60)
CL70	42HP	Gold Scaled Gaman	(66)
CL70	40HP	Giant Squid	(67)
CL75	40HP	Skeletal Warrior	(70)
CL85	40HP	Canlo Giant	(80)
CL85	42HP	Sekhemet**	(80)

** 1 to fight during the quest, lower CL possible **
** Requires a Torch equipped while fighting, the Sekhmet deals 90+ damage without it equipped **


The following 7 monsters can be attacked on your own during an invasion, the 4 Dinosaurs on your own or as a part of a "group fight" when fighting them in Arch Cave 4, the Deep Sea Monster, Captain Keelhail and the Skeleton King on your own or as part of a "group fight" during an invasion.

Captain Keehail has been known to hit as high as 90 damage, however if your health points reach 0hp you will not die or lose your items, you will instead be captured and taken to Crab Nest on Skull Island to become a pirate.

These monsters can also deal large amounts of damage with each hit, even when you're at higher Combat Levels, so are listed with reasonable minimum Combat level recommendations. Be prepared to use a lot of food.

Unknown??? - Deep Sea Monster (110)
CL50 - 50HP - Waranerus (128)
CL50 - 55HP - Honurus (149)
CL60 - 60HP - Stemosaurus (183)
Unknown??? - Abominable snowman (1000)
Unknown??? - Canlo giant skeleton*(1000)
CL70 - 65HP - Roodarus (211)
CL80 - 90HP - Captain Keelhail (331)
CL90 - ??HP - Skeleton King** (2000)
- Frost Giant (2000)
**Skeleton King**

Caution should be taken with the amount of health points you will need to survive its hits.

Nice job!

Love it, it should be stickied.

Well done, sticky pl0x, Mod

Oops

Edited on 07-11-2009 01:52

You forgot Bar Fight at Skulls Nose Saloon.

Brilliant work Orange! This will definetely become useful for all players!

Your recommended levels are way too low.

I can see this getting quite a few people killed mate, no offence.

Nice effort though, just need more information and a tweak to the recommended levels.

not too low. I fought most of these critters at lower levels than what is posted.

All Combat Level recommendations for each Monster or Combat Area are provided to give average Experience gains and average Food usage while training. If you train with higher Combat Levels you should see higher Experience gains and lower food consumption. It is possible to fight each Monster or fight at each Combat Area with a lower Combat Level, but you should expect to use more food.

I agree with the recommendations. I fought alot of monsters close to the recommendations that are stated. good post.

Nice post. As a CL 24, I will be using this guide throughout my training in combat. Don't let me down

Great guide Orange, but i was afking gnomes at 8cb

Good job

Edited on 07-11-2009 13:48

Great job orange one.Are you the color or the fruit

Grapefruit..if you got hit by 15, even by a bear, it would lead us to suspect that places such as Ogre Outpost and Sorer Lair would hit for 17+.

Be warned. A 17+ hit would nearly kill me.

Grape i can say that you getting hit for 15 in deep lemo, is a huge lie.
The most ive ever heard is 12.. saying that before that was 11.. only ever heard report of 12 myself.. from what ive seen in previous 'max hit' posts was 11.

Orange add at beset you will NEED a torch to live

then i must have looked wrong thanks ihit

We will all die with a rumour of a 17 hp hit.

On that note, you could go a little lower hp values for a lot of them; but what I really think is better is the recommended health so that even if you lag/turn away you will still be safe.

I think the recommended hp that was posted was a bit over the "max hit" most people claim, kind of as a buffer just in case.

Either way it's a great guide. You don't have to follow it like it is law but it is a good suggestion.

Excellent guide

A very good guide indeed. What would make it better is if you added what the drops were (if any) for the monsters.

its long enough as it is ;)

if youre looking for a quick reference to monster drops, try this fansite link

http://corerage.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20&Itemid=56

Wow very nice helped me anyways

Core has a website :o

"not too low. I fought most of these critters at lower levels than what is posted."

Point is most of these recommended CLs to fight here are only safe for one hit.

Could easily lure people into a false sense of security when in fact if they look away for 30 seconds they could die.

Excellent guide, Orange, really well done, hope this is stickied.

Slight problem.. the your hp needs to be higher.. recommended hp is good, except that monsters can hit quite high, maybe not above the hp, but fighters will have to keep an eye on their hp, and ensure they have a constant supply of food...

This is just my opinion though..

Very nice guide. Something that would be neat though is the recommended level that you can AFK fight these monsters. Just a thought though.

Overall, great job Orange. I really do hope this gets stickied, definitely deserves to be IMO.

Good Job

good effort Orange. I tend to agree with Ibiss on some of the level suggestions however.

Also why does wara and honu have the same recommended HP when the one hits less? as you seem to be basing hp needed just on one hit values roughly.

I believe the guide should be more like this for example:


Lemo Woods (Dearn Island)

Enter the woods

Recommended Survival stats:
CL10 - 6HP

Recommended Training stats:
CL 13 - 10HP

Recommended Safe stats:

CL 25 - 20-25HP

Random fight order

Giant Spiders (2)
Fox (3)
Cobra (4)
Gnomes (4)
Bats (6)

The recommendations are off the top of my head and are not real. Just an example.

Survival meaning if you fight there you will not die within 1 attack.(this would help players that are entering auto attack areas and such but not necessarily someone who wants to fight there all the time)
Training meaning you will be able to survive at least 2-3 attacks(max hits) without dying. (this helps for players that want to train here daily or very often)
Safe meaning you will be able to fight there botcheck to botcheck with little worry of death. (this of course helps with players that want to afk botcheck to botcheck or very close. I realize this one is definitely one to think about a you wouldn't want to give false information for afk fighting. Could result in death.)

Can change the words to anything. Red, yellow, green. "Can you survive here?" "Can you fight here?" "Can you fight botcheck to botcheck here?" Whatever works. I believe there should definitely be more recommendations than simply can you survive the maximum hit at a location. Good effort in this post, I think it just needs some tweaking. Well, there is my opinion

great guide but i started fighting gnomes at CL3 and was fine

some of it didn't make too much sense particularly the white bat one

on the detailed list it shows it CL 45
on the arch caves (having white bat and stronger) it shows CL 40
finally on the bottom one it shows CL 40

sam, the white bat appears in different areas, so the combat levels are represented slightly differently to reflect that

the white bats at arch cave south could be considered most "dangerous" as you fight only those, and there is rarely more that a couple of players (if that) fighting them so the fights would appear quicker with the uncrowded timer. hence a higher level is noted

fighting those same bats as an invasion would most likely be fully crowded (25 seconds per hit), if not quite crowded, in most areas around syrnia so a slightly lower level is manageable

finally, the white bats you are able to fight in arch cave 2 appear randomly with other level monsters, which you could consider the least "dangerous" of the bunch as you wont always fight them, so a similar level to fighting them in a crowded invasion is listed

hope that clears up any confusion

Skulls Nose IS a combat area. There are Pirates and Dread Pirates to fight, randomly.

read further down nirvy ;)

Why write it in twice?

that is explained in the original post ;)

Cool

Edited on 11-02-2010 21:32

This also includes all auto-atack locations?

yes, the combat areas in which you will encounter an auto attack monster give the recommended stats to fight the auto attack, and more stats recommeded to fight in the combat area

What about Avinin on Exrollia Island?

as the combat area is located at ketil, the information under the "Ketil" heading has details about the auto attacks on exrollia island

Edited on 01-04-2010 13:11

thank you..didn't read all

i was killing gnomes at level 4 cl

Thanks, Dont have to ask help chat now

Thank you very much. Will copy to clan forum and STICKY it. As a guide this will be very helpful to us.

CL85 - 40HP - Sekhemet

Can you give me actual recommendations on stat levels in order to kill them? Break down the CL 85 into attack/strength/defense I mean. Seems like other Guides have no idea and just answer CL 85 when you ask them what skills are recommended to go into that CL 85. (Yes, just like cod heals the same number of hp as cod and smelting iron ore needs the smithing level to smelt iron ore. I always thought repeating the question you were just asked was a stalling tactic, to be honest.)

Although, MM recommended level 7 to kill one with level 1 attack, level 1 defense, level 1 strength and 40 HP. Which makes for a 78 combat level discrepancy. So which Guide do we listen to?

Edited on 18-10-2010 01:37

I technically said that as long as you have the HP to survive, the general "recommendation" for your CL can fluctuate. To which you came up with HP level 435 or so, and I said yes technically so long as you have the what? HP to survive.

425 = 85*5. It's CL 85 or so. And you said it'd fair well, but then before that you said that the 40 HP is in fact enough. So, that condenses down to level 7 CL.

the specific stats are up to you

this thread is simply an overall combat level recommendation along with recommended health points to comfortably survive the monsters estimated max hit, when you have full health before each hit

it would be possible (but very impractical for the amount of food it would need) to kill any monster with 1 attack, 1 strength, 1 defence plus enough health levels to give you the recommended health points found in this thread

if youre looking for more information about recommended attack, strength and defence levels, it would be better to create your own thread asking for player opinions about which combination of stats are most effective for combat, then you can make your own decisions based on your own experience and players opinions

Orange, so you also have no idea what weapon or armor or anything it takes to kill a Sekhmet normally? Where did you get the number 85 then?

a specific weapon or armour type isnt required to kill any monster, just as any specific combat level isnt required to kill any monster

the recommended combat levels can be used as a reference to your own combat level, if your combat level is above or below these numbers it doesnt matter, its simply a reference for players to use

Edited on 18-10-2010 01:53

"a specific weapon or armour type isnt required to kill any monster, just as any specific combat level isnt required to kill any monster"

I realize... However, you recommended CL 85, not me. Is that CL 85 with an obby axe and low defense? Or a CL 85 with a platina axe and somewhat equal stats? Or a CL 85 that takes advantage of a high level woodcutting pickaxe or hatchet so has no attack level? If you were doing the quest, what stats would you do it at?

You're the one who created the number 85... I am asking from where? And what exactly do you recommend? Why is it so hard to get a straight answer out of a Guide?

Edited on 18-10-2010 02:27

the combat levels shown are from my own experience with combat as well as a reasonable estimation of what would give average exp gains as well as an average food usage

you can choose to use these as a reference, or you can choose to ignore them

the reason you havent been given a straight answer is because this thread was never meant to be a definitive guide as to which weapons, armour types or specific stats a player is "required" to have to defeat each monster or to train in each area

if youre really this interested in finding these types of answers you can always try fighting the monsters yourself and decide which weapons, armours and level stats would be best suited to your own opinions

[i]CL85 - 40HP - Sekhemet

Can you give me actual recommendations on stat levels in order to kill them?[/i]

Should have just said no

Again, I am not asking for what's required... Can you give me a recommendation? CL 85 isn't a recommendation because it doesn't recommend anything and recommends everything at the same time. Did you do the quest? What weapon/armor did you use? Did you feel that was effective?

I'd recommend at least CL 85, with at least 40 HP. Also, be advised that you need to have the torch equipped, as reports of hit over 90 have been heard of.

Again, Prometheus, what kind of CL 85? Not all are the same.

recommendations are listed in the original post

ive killed all monsters and completed all quests. the result of this combat experience das led to the recommendations in this thread. the specfic types of armour arent listed because each of the recommendations arent specifically dependant on weapons, armour or stats, they are simply recommendations of overall experience and estimations for average exp gains and HP usage

my personal use of weapons, armour and stats have no direct bearing on the recommendations given because ive tested different weapons, armour and stats for each monster, with an estimation for combat related quest monsters based on knowledge gained from fighting similar level monsters

again, and for the final time as this is going in circles, you can either choose to use these recommendations or choose not to

Edited on 18-10-2010 03:24

"my personal use of weapons, armour and stats have no direct bearing on the recommendations given because ive tested different weapons, armour and stats for each monster, with an estimation for combat quest based on knowledge gained from fighting similar level monsters

again, and for the final time as this is going in circles, you can either choose to use these recommendations or choose not to"

Again, you're the only one continuing the circle by not giving me an actual recommendation. I don't understand why you can't tell me what you used to complete this quest and whether you think that was a good setup. It would have ended this discussion 4 posts ago.

"my personal use of weapons, armour and stats have no direct bearing on the recommendations given because ive tested different weapons, armour and stats for each monster, with an estimation for combat quest based on knowledge gained from fighting similar level monsters

again, and for the final time as this is going in circles, you can either choose to use these recommendations or choose not to"

Again, you're the only one continuing the circle by not giving me an actual recommendation. I don't understand why you can't tell me what you used to complete this quest and whether you think that was a good setup. It would have ended this discussion 4 posts ago.

as this thread is purely for reference using combat recommedations, and not for questions about which weapons, armour and stats i have used, and do use, you can send any questions about my personal training methods directly to me using the game message system

You have me on ignore in the game. At least, you never answer me there... And MM told me to ask in this thread.

the ignore option is only related to the chat channels, not game messages

Edited on 18-10-2010 03:37

Nope, if someone has you on ignore, they can't see messages from you either.

From the function itself: "This applies to the chat and messages, however this does not affect chat history."

Edited on 18-10-2010 03:40

youre right about the ignore option, my mistake

ive never had you on ignore though, i just ignore your whispers ;) you can still send me a game message if you have a question related to this thread, and send me a game message for information about my personal training methods as the latter doesnt belong here

The choices that you make to train, are purely your choices. If you wish to not train attack, defense, or strength, and merely train health...it would take you a very very long time to get that kind of stat. Any creature you fought would be a long fight. As such, a complete waste of time, and resources.

So, again...CL 85 at least, with HP of 40 at least. I did it with a CL of 90+, with over 80 HP. I used a Platina axe, and wore full gold armor. Those were choices that I made. You can do as you wish, as you have free will in this game.

Orange: "you can send any questions about my personal training methods directly to me using the game message system"

I was right, I am on his "ignore" and he won't answer my question.


So can someone else please give me an actual recommendation on a setup to kill Sekhmet? If you did it at CL 85, can you tell me what levels you had for attack, strength, and defense?

How about you get syriet axe, 10 more strength levels then give it a go. What's so difficult about that?

I'll only have level 84 CL then Hazgod, Orange would disagree with you! But thank you for your recommendation of 96 attack, 80 str, 40 def, 60 health (69 HP). I wish the Guides were this helpful.

"I'll only have level 84 CL then Hazgod, Orange would disagree with you! "
No he would not. This whole question in my eyes has not been about you completing the quest but about you trying to score points against guides. Most likely because you are still mad about getting muted over that pickaxe as a weapon thing. Simple recommendation, get over it.


They are helpful, you are just being your usual nitpicking self. Is easy for anyone else to see that any CL85 setup that has above 40 hp, will be able to kill it. As most do not do what you try to point out, all health, all defence. Anyone who does combat knows that, even you. Again just trying to nitpick.
Going on and on about stats, the stat that is most important. Having 40 hp so you do not die.

With enough food.

Is a recommendation not that you HAVE to have CL85 in order to complete it.
What is it about the word recommendation you are having trouble with?

Edited on 18-10-2010 10:28

Viperslfc: "This whole question in my eyes has not been about you completing the quest but about you trying to score points against guides. Most likely because you are still mad about getting muted over that pickaxe as a weapon thing."

This has nothing to do with that pickaxe mute. I didn't report MM in chat for just repeating my question back to me 3 times, cause giving 0 information to players isn't exactly giving incorrect information to players, so that rule wouldn't apply.

And as it has been pointed out, someone could just have level 1 attack/strength/defense and level 420 health to get level 85 combat, and while they will survive the max hits, it would take them hours, if not days or weeks, depending on their woodcutting/mining/smithing levels, to kill it. I was simply asking for a level 85 combat setup that people HAVE used to kill the monster in a reasonable amount of time with a reasonable amount of food use. Orange got the number 85 from somewhere, I was just asking from where. Everyone knows that CL = att/3 + def/3 + str/3 + health/5, and he gave us CL and health, which still leaves thousands of possibilities for attack, defense, and strength levels. I was asking for people's recommendation on those.

And the fact that it took so long to get a recommendation is appalling, especially since 3 guides were involved. Although at least 2 of those guides dislike me, so I guess I should have just asked someone else to ask the question for me, just like I've started getting others to report rulebreaking to the mods for me. Yay for biased staff members.


Thanks again, Hazgod.

Yea, I'm forced to agree with esnow--CL 85 doesn't mean anything. What's so hard about just answering the bloody question with "You need Attack # and at least HP #," which would have sufficiently answered esnow's question, without needing to go on for a page about it?

Esnow was so into arguing mode she actually ignored an answer given to her by a guide to her own question.

From Prome
" I did it with a CL of 90+, with over 80 HP. I used a Platina axe, and wore full gold armor. Those were choices that I made. You can do as you wish, as you have free will in this game."

And as I said which you ignored. Your case of having only 420 health, is what you always do try use extremes to validate your silly points. No one is going to do that , most players train combat to be balanced except attack.

Simple nitpicking. Nothing to do with this. Have fun. Will not bother replying again.

And Sirtheta, if you watch forums. Had someone just said how much attack and hp needed. She then would have nitpicked over defence and strength levels. Some players just like to argue.

Soon as an answer came from a none guide she was happy with it. Again this is an issue more between her and guides which her last reply proves.

Edited on 18-10-2010 18:01

Well I'm not cl 85 and I killed that thing when anasco came out so probably like cl 70. It doesn't hit hard aslong as you have the torch. If you don't have the torch then expect to die lol.. I think Krazy survived it just about but he still took huge hits at his cl. Esnow you can kill it easily ;)


Edit: as for what gear I had then at a decent guess I would have been the same medium gold armour I wear now and a gold axe.

Edited on 18-10-2010 17:54

Perhaps Viper, but then it would have been esnow who was being an obstinate fool, rather than Orange.

Edit - I do watch forums btw And made sure to read this whole convo all the way through

Edited on 18-10-2010 18:39

Hmm, you're right, Viperslfc, I was so steaming from Orange saying I could message him and then getting a message reply that he isn't going to help me, that I just read the first paragraph of Prometheus and didn't see that he had answered my question.

I'm sorry, Prometheus.

Still, 2/3 Guides were quite unhelpful, and those were the 2 Guides I said are biased against me in my previous post. So I guess I was right

Thanks Prometheus, Hazgod, and NateHarper.

Edited on 18-10-2010 18:50

I'm surprised a player that has been around as long as you Esnow needs detailed instructions how to fight a creature. I've been impressed with how the guides help without being overbearing and telling people what they "must" do or the "one right way"... but it sounds like you want to check your brain and let someone else tell you how to play.

tiff : "I've been impressed with how the guides help without being overbearing and telling people what they "must" do or the "one right way""

Actually, in some cases, you're not allowed to give new players alternatives to choose from, under punishment of a mute. For example, the Guides never tell people that you can get venomous fangs from Berian and Thick Jungle as well. The "one right way" to do that quest is to get one from Lemo or buy one. And don't get me started on the syriet pickaxe, as in fact, it was a Guide whose report got me muted for saying someone can use it as a weapon. Nope, the Guides like the plain and simple bronze longsword at level 1 attack, "the one right way".


As far as training the combat skill itself goes, I fought gnomes till I got the level for a koban axe and lestro told me to go fight at Sorer. Then when I got the gold axe, he transported my stuff for my across the OL and set me up to fight Ogres. And that's where I've been fighting since then. The time I disobeyed him and fought at Berian, I died :o So yeah... That's why I was asking for a recommendation here, cause lestro quit, and I thought the Guides would be just as helpful, but I guess not in all cases.

The Rorghark Bonebreaker struck at you and hit 14 damage.

highest ive ever seen or heard of.

EDIT: arguing with esnow is pointless,because she is simply ignorant and bored,which we can see as she has nothing better to do then try to destroy an extremely helpful post with comments that have already been answered or are not relevant.

Edited on 29-03-2011 23:42

nice post

keep it up!

Killed Sekhemet with Cl 33 and 40 Hp, just shows that hp is enough to kill the monsters although you will use too much food. Also lag can kill you too.

Edited on 09-06-2011 11:11

I'm confused, there's two sets of dinos. One recommends 55 hp vs a honu and one recommends 50. Can it really hit above 50?

Sorry for the confusion, blasted typos lol

Ive edited it to state a recommended minimum of 55hp when fighting a Honurus, as was intended. Ive personally been hit for 44 damage by a Honurus, and im confident that is not its max hit. While 50hp may be enough to avoid being killed in one hit, 55hp+ is what i would recommend to be fairly safe.

Happy dino hunting! ;)

(Honurus has rubbish drops though *shakes fist*)

A universally useful thread - every single player should discover wisdom relevant to their training level here (I certainly did). Nice one!

The only thing I'm not sure about is your gap of 5 CLs between Berian and Ogre Town. I'm at CL27, so I use both, and find them almost equally challenging.

I have 50hp and have fought waras, honus and stemos But I believe stemos can hit above 50 so I guess I'm lucky

lamb is lucky against dinos not players tho

The only thing I'm not sure about is your gap of 5 CLs between Berian and Ogre Town. I'm at CL27, so I use both, and find them almost equally challenging.

They have similar monster levels and very similar max hits, the only real threat i felt at those same levels was the higher fight frequency at Berian due to a lower crowding than the "usual" max crowding at Ogre Town.

Either combat area could be a little more challenging if the crowding dips and makes the fight timer much lower, but i felt they were a similar challenge with regards to average damage dealt each hour, so i tried to reflect that in the recommended minimum health

Edited on 12-07-2011 06:24

How does arch 2 have a lower recommendation than arch S?

Seeing as Orange quit this is just a guess going on what he said above about crowding being difference between Ogre Town and Berian.

Walking around arch 2, though you encounter bats. Is not fighting bats all the time. With Arch S being an actual fighting spot, that might be why the difference.

I see five levels difference, the difference he put between OT and Berian because of crowding. Is only a guess but might be why.

But arent they both nearly empty, especially arch 2.

Also wouldnt you need higher hp on the area that has higher leveles creatures

From what I have seen, the Kobans in arch hit harder than the white bats. I don't know why ACS would be higher by 5 CL than AC2. Maybe next time Orange shows up he could clarify for you

Looking at this I would change the word 'recommended' to 'minimum'.

Looking at this I would change the word 'recommended' to 'minimum'.

Peglegs: CL 34, 34 HP, 85 exp - 18 highest thus far

Buccaneers: CL 47, HP 49, 122 exp - 22 highest thus far

Hooked Pirates: CL 60, 58 HP, 162 exp with 30 damage recorded highest thus far.

Captain Keelhail 331 - hit a 90 known - kidnaps and takes to skull

Edited on 30-08-2011 19:02

0/41 The Captain Keelhail struck at ela and did 90 damage. 90

I took on the Captain with 36hp. i died twice, but got a few hits in.

Worth the risk

The Round time for Dino's needs to be updated.

i think it is 30 secs, with crowding

it is 30 secs with crowding, jack

That is updated. Used to be 45 sec.

Pirates and Arch cave dino timer updated

Jack the Reaper - "How does arch 2 have a lower recommendation than arch S?"

Vipers is correct, while the Koban miner (34) is 2 levels higher than the White bat (32) its the threat of continuous damage and fast hits from the generally uncrowded fighting area of Arch cave S poses a higher risk of death, as opposed to the 1 in 6 chance of fighting the Koban miner in Arch cave 2.

Jack the Reaper - "Also wouldnt you need higher hp on the area that has higher leveles creatures"

I chose 25hp for both areas as this should be enough to avoid being killed in one hit while fighting a White bat or Koban miner, regardless of their level.

Hazgod - "From what I have seen, the Kobans in arch hit harder than the white bats. I don't know why ACS would be higher by 5 CL than AC2. Maybe next time Orange shows up he could clarify for you"

This has a similar explaination to the first answer, while the Koban miners look to hit very slightly harder than the White bats according to my notes, having higher combat stats will benefit you more while fighting a single monster over and over, against the danger of fighting a similar levelled monster which has a 1 in 6 chance of appearing in your fights.


Also please bear in mind, this thread was only meant to be used as a reference for the different monsters and combat areas, it was never intended to be an ultimate guide.

Edited on 12-09-2011 17:12

Um, hopefully 1 last question.

Arch 3/4
Recommended for Auto Attacks CL50 - 42HP

But
CL70 - 40HP - Gold Scaled Gaman (66)

What is the max of a GSG or recommended hp, as i want to fight some and head onto arch 4 soon.

This is the reverse situation of my previous questions.

I just want to know if you might have made a mistake, and the single GSG hight need more recommended hp

Edited on 13-09-2011 13:08

i fought a gsg with 37 hp and i was told they could hit no more then 36

I personally have been hit for 38 by a GsG but thats the hardest, I recommend 40hp just in case though

ok, ty. im aiming for 43 hp, so i should be ok with that

well spotted ;) both should have been 40hp, edited

Anyone know the recommended stats for a deep sea monster

Added new Skeleton monsters

I have been told GSG's can hit 42. I dont know if there was an update to lower this at some point.


[5] 11:01 HenryCrun[C.]: <
Edited on 24-11-2011 13:52

Frost Scaled Gaman CL 70- can hit upwards of 40 HP

Abominable snowman CL 183 - can hit upwards of 30

Edited on 03-01-2012 20:15

MadameMasque, wouldn't the higher cl hit more? Im hoping there is a typo there

Higher CL doesnt always mean higher str, it can sometimes be because of their high health level.

Very true. Ignore my previous post

Frost Giant - Can hit in the 90's.

If you have time, the table BB codes would be vey useful.

Im sure there are people out there who would do it for you

would anyone be opposed to having this copied by a more active player to keep it updated?

not sure if orange is around often enough to have it edited by himself
ofcourse orange would be credited in full

Edited on 15-05-2012 17:27

Update for the Skeleton King!

33/115 The Skeleton king struck at Affliction and did 82 damage. 82

93 is a known hit from the skeleton king from last year, Jack.

Edit: According to Fate in region chat history anyway.

Edited on 31-10-2012 08:35

Was that the skeleton king, a frost giant or captain keelhail?
Otherwise Orange hasn't updated this in AGES "As of writing (29-10-2011), the highest hit seen so far is 77 damage, but its very possible it can hit even higher than this."

2/102 The Skeleton king struck at Deedar and did 99 damage.

Edited on 01-11-2012 18:25

Would like a reconfigure on the Sekehemet requirements if possible, apparently 42 is now the max recorded hit with a torch equipped. Cheers!

from TL grounds:
`Your defense level works to reduce the chances you take damage. The higher your defence level, combined with the armor that you wear works to reduce the chances monsters hit for their maximum, and in the same breath, reduce overall damage taken.`
so what is the max hit you are talkin about? was it on a nacked CL1 player?

"Your defense level works to reduce the chances you take damage."

That doesn't mean the max hit of XYZ mob is reduced, but rather lowers the likely hood of XYZ mob hitting its max hit.
In other words whether your combat level is 1 or 100 the max hit of a particular mob will still be the same, just that the likely hood of a max hit occurring will be lowered as you level up.

71/113 The Skeletal warrior struck at you and did 32 damage. 32

[3] 18:59 Ardarel[Puddy]: 14/62 The Skeletal warrior struck at you and did 40 damage. 40

The Platina flame dragon struck at Prometheus and did 87 damage.

[3] 11:04 Prometheus[TSoH]: 19/113 The Platina flame dragon struck at Prometheus and did 94 damage.

Edited on 14-09-2014 12:03

[2]19:31 And[AFK]: The Sekhmet struck at you and did 40 damage.
just an update would be nice...

Did you have a torch equipped?

yes burnt cod, still got one hit xD

I'm glad

he was fighting it at cl 32 and was wearing iron armour ofcourse he would be hit that it changes nothing to the recommended posted. just stupidity on his part

From Orange's post:

"All the Health Point recommendations are intended to help the player avoid being killed in 1 Hit by the Monster, Auto Attack Monster or highest level Monster at each Combat Area when the player has Full Health."

If the Sekhmet can hit 40, then that sentence should be changed if the recommended HP for fighting Sekhmet isn't changed, since it doesn't suggest that the recommended HP also depends on CL. Unless there is a good argument to believe And is making up being hit for 40--I can't make that argument.

this was a poor guide from the time it was written.. use it with a pinch of salt and not as combat training guide imo.

just saying ;) it wouldn't hurt to make that update!

When in doubt, dance off.

Thorntree
[Choob]
09-01-2013 21:11



Would like a reconfigure on the Sekehemet requirements if possible, apparently 42 is now the max recorded hit with a torch equipped. Cheers!

In 2013..

There are also those peglegs,buccaneers and hooked pirates
peglegs cl34+ required to train
buccaneers cl47+ required to train
hooked pirates cl60+ required to train

Edited on 22-02-2015 23:45

[Skulls Nose (Skull island)

Combat link appears as Recruit pirates

While this option isn't an actual Combat Area, as long as there are resources in the Pirate Stockpile you can Recruit Pirates to gain 5 Combat Exp in all 4 of your Combat Skills, but there are Combat Level requirements to train the different pirates]

This part of the guide is wrong/outdated.
* Recruiting Pirates only yields 1 Combat Exp in all 4 of Combat Skills--not 5 each like the guide claims.

Sameal there are 4 skills, this guide says *5 exp in all of the 4 combat skills* but i must say that is incorrect the combat exp earned are:


Pirate: 1 experience point in each combat skill.

Dread Pirate: 3 experience point in each combat skill.

the rest, well ask a vetren pirate

Just got hit 24 by a baby frost giant.

Snitch

Combat Level 84.

You are attacking a Giant squid (67) at Thabis.

The Giant squid died. You got 146 strength experience

The Giant squid struck at you and did 21 damage.

You got 1500 defence experience.
You have completed the "Squid of the Deep" quest!

Wanted to make an easy to read table.

[/tr]

Monster Name	Comabt Level	Monster HP	Known Max Hit
Rats	1	4	2
Bugs	1	6	3
Giant Spider	2	6	3
Fox	2	6	3
Cobra	4	7	3
Gnome	4	7	4
Young Eagle	5	8	2
Rabid Bunny	5	9	4
Bat	6	8	2
Pirate	6	8	4
Lizard	7	9	5
Tree Viper	7	9	4
Big Bad Bunny	7	14	4
Werewolf	8	10	5
Bandit	8	14	3
Lost Panther	9	11	4
Black Panther	9	11	5
Feral Reindeer	9	11	4
Python	9	11	5
Wild Dog	9	11	4
Skeleton	11	16	5
Halloween Witch	11	11	6
Dread Pirate	12	14	6
Wolf	12	14	7
Evil Elf	13	15	5
Barghrag	14	16	7
Bear	15	17	10
Soer Spiderling	15	17	8
Half Elf	16	18	8
Sorer Hunter	17	19	9
Keelhail Pirate	18	19	9
Vorgh	18	19	9
Rogue	18	19	8
Elder Eagle	18	19	8
Exiled Elf	19	20	9
Sorer Queen	19	20	10
Headless Zombie	19	20	8
Assassin	20	21	9
Elven Warrior	20	21	9
Lizardman	20	21	9
Skeletal Hound	20	21	10
Lizardwoman	20	22	10
Wadjet	20	22	10
Bouncing Bunny	20	22	10
Bunyip	21	19	7+?
Baby khug giant	21	22	7
Scrooge	21	22	7
Vuruth	22	20	9
Black Bat	22	22	10
Pterosaurus	22	22	10
Dark Elf	22	23	12
Lizard Shaman	22	23	9
Oviraptor	22	25	12
Roughneck	24	25	10
Stone Gaman	24	25	8
Witch Doctor	24	25	13
Hadrosaurus	24	30	13
Rorghark bonebreaker	24	26	13
Lizard Chief	24	27	12
Khug Giant	26	27	11
Grey Bat	27	20	15?
Chippeway	27	28	11
Dasem Giant	28	29	13
Polar Bear	30	31	12
Starving Spider	30	33	14
Dark Widow	31	32	16
White Bat	32	32	15
Iron Scaled Gaman	33	33	15
Koban Miner	34	34	18
Pegleg	34	34	13
Big Bad Bunny	35	34	16
Baby Canalo Giant	36	36	18
Koban Mothman	36	36	13
Centaur	39	38	17
Giant Polar Bear	38	39	18
Ghastly Zombie	39	39	18
Gorgom Cloaker	44	42	22
Griffin	44	49	23
Possessed Skeleton	45	50	25
Baby frost Giant	45	50	24
Buccaneer	47	49	22
Giant Scarab	50	49	25
Steel Scaled Gaman	52	51	27
Mummy	55	53	27
Undead Priest	57	55	31
Koban Protector	58	56	35
Serpopard	60	58	30?
Hooked Pirate	60	58	27
Gold Scaled Gaman	66	63	38
Giant Squid	67	64	32
Skeletal Warrior	70	65	40
Frost Scaled Gaman	70	65	41
Platina Scaled Gaman	79	75	40
Canlo Giant	80	85	35
Sekhemet	85	77	45 - with torch, 100 w/o
Syriet Scaled Gaman	92	87	50
Obsidan Scaled Gaman	105	99	52
Deep Sea Monster	110	553	35+?
Waranerus	128	168	42
Honurus	149	196	44
Stemosaurus	183	333	49
Canlo Giant Skeleton	183	553	27
Abominable Snowman	183	1000	30
Roodarus	211	553	49
Platina Flame Dragon	286	751	102
Captain Keelhail	331	1000	97
Syriet Flame Dragon	356	1000	101
Obsidan Flame Dragon	426	1250	105
Frost Giant	529	2000	100
Skeleton King	529	2000	100?

Edited on 26-02-2020 12:22