Yuuko
[TLO]
17-06-2020 18:11
| Bcnu, to say that you feel left out when the update has only just hit is ridiculous. All the published information from the people who have scrolls so far indicates that the drop rate of the actual resources needed to make it is itself very low, and so it should be for a high tier metal.
It's going to take time to get steady production started, you sound like you expect it to be readily available right this minute which I have to dismiss as absurd.
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Bcnu
[A.D.]
17-06-2020 18:49
| yukko - I am not arguing the point of getting resources going etc....The point is everyone who has worked "hard " according to your post to get those levels are being left out from producing them as well just because of luck - that is the point. I don't expect to use any of it anytime soon which is fine because I haven't worked those skills but players who have it is not logical that they can't access the areas. Also for players who would like to access these areas eventually have no basis or guidance from the game itself as to how to do so. And yes some players are posting but that was only after these forums got started so please don't think that people have been transparent from the start because they weren't. Really all anyone seems to be asking for is for the update to be fair to ALL players not just a select few.
This argument seems like a watch my right hand while my left is doing something else. So it's okay that some players have advantages over others with the same or lower levels than those being left out? That is the point of the players who have been posting not the availability of the product etc......
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ShatterStar
[Pond]
17-06-2020 22:47
| This has gone so far from feedback and more of an entertaining bickering match to read at work.
As many suggested in chat and forums, it should have been a quest chain. You could have made the scrolls like the lost girl quest where once you start the quest you have a chance to get the drop. Not a completely random(as we know its random for the time being) drop. You don't know what or where exactly to have a chance for the scroll, even if red chat suggested other islands etc. |
dacheezball
[Boo!]
17-06-2020 23:21
| When did these scrolls release, because I had one xD How new are they?
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barun511
[*TF*]
17-06-2020 23:32
| Around the launch of Calmere - dacheez .gif) , they're considerd extremely valuable, due to their exclusive access to endgame content.
Edited on 17-06-2020 23:35
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Dirk
[A.D.]
18-06-2020 04:52
| In my opinion it is frustrating, however isn't it equally as frustrating when someone gets a four leaf clover at speed level 11(or any level), or when one shot away from killing a dragon and you barely miss the drop? |
Anarcho FooBear
[World]
18-06-2020 04:57
| No, Dirk, dragons spawn far more frequently and have a clear way to get the drops. 4 Leaf Clovers do not influence how you play the game, it's a collectors item. Neither of which lock you out of content as you do not need a dragon suit to fight dragons or enter any secret areas and 4 leaf clover as previously said do not influence how you play the game. They are not an equal comparison, it would be more like if you only saw dragons if you found a Lapis and brought it with you to Arch 5 and then you needed a Jade to see obby, pura, and titanium ores. Even then those gems have a clear way to be found while scrolls are a "idk man it's probably just random globally who knows"
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Twitxhy
[*TF*]
18-06-2020 05:03
| you dont need tiro weapons or tools to do anything in the game
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Dirk
[A.D.]
18-06-2020 05:05
| I see. I didn't look at it in that way. |
Steve
[~FoS~]
18-06-2020 18:50
| I think the scrolls should have been like the Diamond shaped glass and lost girl.. Not able to be traded.
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Liah
[CLEAN]
18-06-2020 19:00
| But in those examples you knew exactly what you had to do to get them. Now it's everyone's guess. And it involved a quest to get them, the scrolls are just random luck. That is at least how it appears to be right now.
Edited on 18-06-2020 19:01
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JLockmavs
[~DoS~]
19-06-2020 16:29
| Add Scroll of Thieving. |
Stolo
[~ADV~]
21-06-2020 07:37
| It's not about luck, or how often scrolls should drop.They should not exist to block people from using the skills they trained.We train skills to be able to do higher things, if the game don't let us what is the reason to do it?
Imagine wikid, the best miner and smith in the game, having to buy his ultimate tools and weapons (for months? years? who knows) from some obscure smith (you realise how this sounds, right? now I wait for Twitchy and Calgor to explain us how normal this is).Maybe with a future update 90% of the high fishers/cooks won't be allowed to use the new fish, or aussie being kept away for months from a new forest.
This is wrong.This is not the game I(we?) played and enjoyed for 15 years.And if this is the way for future updates to get implemented, then I don't think I want to be here to see them.
Edited on 21-06-2020 07:38 |
wikid
[InGen]
21-06-2020 09:02
| well.... its been over a month, I have been waiting in hope the new areas may have opened by now, or the scrolls may have become more accessible.
Can we please have some feedback from the update team to give us some direction. (I believe most of us will agree the fun is over and frustration is setting in)
I figure I need at least 3 scrolls to have a chance of making a tiro bar. At the current drop rate, I am predicting years.
The big question is... Is there something we still need to discover or is this it, we need scrolls to progress and they are extremely rare?
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a_f_c
[Tasty]
21-06-2020 13:17
| Drop rates either need to be made higher or we should be able to buy them from somewhere.
I fished up just over 11,000 bass(10364 bass and 1116 Spotted Bass) and got nothing.
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Preff
[Pub]
21-06-2020 16:10
| Am totally with Stolo and wikid on this. I think if the game mechanic is going to start being messed with, there needs to be a LOT more transparency in A) What is being done and why and B) What exactly IS required in order to access the new content.
Obviously the Scrolls haven't worked out as "drops" so have a damned re-think and either amend the drop rate, expand on what drops them to make that happen with a little more frequency or just put them as a shop bought item.
It's disappointing that B2H and his "Team" after ALL these years, still haven't managed to figure out the needs of the community or managed to come up with a well thought out update. |
Yuuko
[TLO]
21-06-2020 18:34
| From what I can tell these scrolls granting access to the materials needed to make the new metal are rare and hard to obtain, and thats intended. If we start demanding the scrolls be more accessible it only devalues the new metal right at the start of its lifespan.
But no, tell us how to get it, make them easier to get etc etc. Tiromyth bars for everyone! /s
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smitts
[~ADV~]
21-06-2020 19:36
| I mean getting to level 140 in a skill or attack level 150+ seems like a pretty rare thing anyway. But no you're right, there's no need to let people have access to the items, let's also then gate them off behind a lucky drop.
Titanium also isn't particularly abundant so even if these scrolls dropped by the hundreds tiromyth would still not exactly be common.
Edit: Yuuko also, why don't you want Tiromyth for everyone? Platina, yeah we all have access, syriet, of course, obsidian/puranium yes let people access that as well, but Tiromyth?! Heaven forbid the masses can get to that !
Edited on 21-06-2020 19:39 |
Yuuko
[TLO]
21-06-2020 20:26
| I'm all for people having access smitts, and in time it will start top become more available as more scrolls drop. This is a slow process though.
I don't remember when puranium was released but I can imagine it took a fair while before it started to become widely available. As it stands, with low availability at the moment, I think that is well balanced. I think this because the mechanics to obtain it e.g. the scrolls, will over time by the nature of being a rare drop become more available.
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smitts
[~ADV~]
21-06-2020 20:57
| Puranium became available and anyone who had mining of 120 and a reasonable combat level had the ability to go and get it. Yes eventually it filtered out, but people who had the levels had the ability to go and get it.
There's a quest to access AC5, requires 8k actions. Then there is the combat needed to fight there, and then the mining to get to the ore. Then you need someone with a smithing level high enough. Hence, its a lot of work and team work needed for that ore/bar and item. So it took time for it to filter out.
Here, you need to be stupidly lucky? That is what upsets people. And its not just that you need to be stupidly lucky, we still have no idea from what skills/locations it can and can't drop?
Even if there were hundreds of scrolls in the game. You need 3 scrolls, a smith with smithing 150 and combat high enough to survive the auto attacks. A woodcutter at 55 with the scroll relying on a fairly rare drop. A miner with mining 85, relying on a fairly rare drop. You also need puranium and titanium, requiring a miner with 120/140 mining, the combat level to survive the auto attacks who has beaten other players to get to the ore spawn, of which they know where it is, the ores spawning possibly once or twice a week.
You get these items would be rare anyway, they don't need to be locked behind a stupid luck mechanic? Players had to put an insane amount of hours in to get to the above levels, they will need to work together anyway. There's no need to then on top of that, lock them away behind insanely lucky drops?
People don't want the items just handed to them, that isn't what they're asking for. They just don't think this was the way to do it, and are voicing that opinion. |
Yuuko
[TLO]
21-06-2020 22:35
| I suppose a better way of explaining it is, I think the low drop rate rng of the scrolls give this new metal a good pace.
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Rag
[-OLD-]
21-06-2020 23:09
| IMO it's not about pace, the issue is progress and equal chances.
With puranium, if you had the levels you had an equal chance as everybody else to get the stuff. And you felt the progress, even if it was slow.
Now, your level and hours you invest might make no difference. As long as you don't get the scroll drop, your progress is zero as you can't try to change something to increase your chances.
And as nobody knows how the scrolls drop, it might be something as obscure as: donate exactly 13 gp to calmere university, then in the next 15 minutes a scroll might drop when mining tin ore, but only on the 2nd Tuesday of the month, from 09:00 to 09:30 server time.
Yes, that is exaggerating, but the point is until a meaningful amount of scrolls actually enters the game, there will be unequality, and resource monopoly.
That monopoly will lead to an xp gains edge, or market domination (overpriced tools/weapons lead to an edge in other skills, like farming/thieving/magic ofc), which should not be desireable in the long run.
Also the argument that these lucky/obscure drops set a good pace is moot, if there will be a meaningfull amount of them in the future than this whole setup only created a delay which a few can capitalize on in the meantime. Long time result will be zero.
To keep the resoruces scarce (if intended) in the future all of these scrolls would actually have to be used up: e.g. mining scroll is used up after finding a fixed amount of bloodstone ores (or something like a 50% "break" chance per ore found or so). |
Durins_Bane
[Moria]
22-06-2020 10:45
| The release of Puranium is in no way similar to this release. When puranium launched every active clan that had a miner to mine it either had an equal chance at acquiring it or had the means to train their combat to be able to safely traverse Arch 5 and get it. I mined 1000s of ores in Arch 5 upon release of the content both for OLD and as a freelancer. And nothing hindered my ability to mine other than having to occasionally clear chests and fight dragons to increase spawns
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Nuthouse
[-DRS-]
22-06-2020 23:29
| Its clearly flawed and hopefully the coding team learn from this.
Otherwise for the rest of the update, It has been really superb, all the new content has been outstanding and I think this debate in itself takes away from the hard work you put in which is probably disappointing.
Even though I think the scrolls release and quest are flawed - I wanted to say thanks anyway, appreciate the work has went in.
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Miknah
[Hobos]
23-06-2020 10:23
| Well at very least it has sparked off a decent and healthy forum debate, not to mention the fact that a 15 year old browser game is still being updated with new content. That's actually pretty impressive if you ask me.
Games like this are always something of a work in progress, if something that is implemented doesn't work well then it will be modified or replaced eventually. This is why these sort of player debates are very helpful, they help guide the future of the game. But I do think it's worth not losing sight of the fact that we are very lucky to still be getting updates at all. And a lot of work and effort has gone into this update, I think a little gratitude is due from us all really for this fact.
It's totally reasonable to complain if something isn't working properly, but nobody was purposefully trying to make anybodies life harder. Having seen games die of old age over the years makes me feel more inclined to be grateful than to complain however.
So thanks to all involved in keeping this game running all this time. We only moan cus we care.  |
