Operative
[~F~]
26-09-2009 21:37
| About the idea of one person killing his accomplice to leave items there..the punishment laid out for this exploitation will be by intent of the rules. There is judging by the letter of the law..or what this situation seems to be avoiding..and judging by the intent of the law. The intent is that players shouldn't intentionally lag up other players, therefore the mod team I would hope would punish players who kill others to lag up the OLs just as they would those who drop stuff themselves.
Also about those that have done this in the past. That is the past..it wasn't in the rules, there were no mod rulings on it yet as it was still under consideration and discussion. The moderation is in the right in only warning and not punishing as they have stated that FURTHER abuse will not be tolerated. |
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Rictor
[~X~]
26-09-2009 21:39
| "We are still discussing punishment and this post functions as a warning for all players to not engage in this activity anymore. The staff does not find this action acceptable whatsoever."
Looks like they are still talking it over as far as punishment goes.
As for the clannie death thing, I think they need to change it somehow to if items are left on the ground (in OLs only) for more than 5 minutes they vanish.
Takes a few seconds to pick up any death, 5 minutes is more than enough time.
72/73 The Roodarus struck at Rictor and hit 1 damage.
Critical hit: You struck and dealt 50 damage to the Koban miner.
This film is X Rated. |
Ihit Youdie
26-09-2009 21:40
| Exactly what i said a few posts above .gif) i totally agree with rictor |
Tess
26-09-2009 21:44
| 5 minutes might be too long. Someone new can come along, read the log at the OL spot and report the PKer for leaving items on the ground. There's no clarification on what is acceptable reporting and what isn't honestly.
"A woman is like a tea bag, you can not tell how strong she is until you put her in hot water." |
esnow
[Manc]
26-09-2009 21:44
| Also, any player found to be bringing more than 10 items into the OL should be punished since the PKer does lag when a huge drop hits the floor. If lagging others intentionally is bad, that is...
[To: orange]18:41 esnow: Get in my belly! |
Rictor
[~X~]
26-09-2009 21:50
| Common now people...do we really have to nitpick everything?
We asked the mods to do something about a bug, they did.
BE HAPPY and just stop already.
*shakes head and the low some people sink to to cause problems*
72/73 The Roodarus struck at Rictor and hit 1 damage.
Critical hit: You struck and dealt 50 damage to the Koban miner.
This film is X Rated. |
Phoinix
[~FaM~]
26-09-2009 21:52
| I agree Rictor
At the end of the day we are at their mercy. They are on it. Let them do their jobs.
Again Thanks to everyone
Critical hit: You struck and dealt 20 damage to the Gold scaled gaman.
Married to Kat 2/13/2008
[2]23:51 Z330Ls[*I*C*]: bob we do it all the time, people are just no whining about it :P |
Hazgod
26-09-2009 21:52
| What's the point in having a rules if they aren't enforced? What's happening here is the exact opposite of what it says in the rules!
1 In the event that you find a fault with the game, report it to staff immediately.
2. If one of these bugs allows you to gain an unfair advantage over other players, do not exploit it. Exploitation of these problems will result in loss of any experience and/or items along with being jailed or frozen.
How is this not a direct violation of 2? Give us our items back and stick them all in jail for a week or ban them from killing in the OL for a while or something. Whoever made the decision to exploit a bug and they should have to deal with the consequences.
Lets go up to section 3. Anyone care to write a bot to feed us while fighting and enter the botcheck? Can't be punished until it's officially decided that it's against the rules (even though it states clearly that it is) and can't be punished until after that announcement.
And stop deleting forum posts when a player bumps, I don't see an announcement in the forums saying it's not allowed so you aren't allowed to punish it. |
Operative
[~F~]
26-09-2009 21:58
| Hazgod not every possible situation where it is possible to exploit is laid out clearly in the rules. We have to go by the intent of the rules. Sometimes it takes a little while to work out if it really is an exploit or not. But the moderation team did warn the players when they reached a decision and said that further exploitation through these techniques would be punishable.
And bumping is in the rules. There wasn't a rule that said "Any player that causes lag on purpose in the OLs is subject to jailtime/mutes and possible ban" or something like that. That's why we had to have whole discussions on it to determine if it was against the intent of the rules or not.
The mod team has reached a decision, their word is final. Arguing is pointless and just causes tension. You know what? It's a game..just play the game.
Edited on 26-09-2009 22:00 |
Hazgod
26-09-2009 22:05
| That's a load of crap. I have 20ms ping and it lagged me. Must have been lagging them as well. I don't believe that they didn't notice all the lag it was causing. Otherwise why drop so many useless items like burnts that people aren't going to stop to look at |
DreadedTroll
[~lll~]
26-09-2009 22:11
| Agree with Hazgod here fully. It is in the rules, as he clearly pointed out with a direct quote from them. If every bug needs to be "warned against" in the forum before bans/jails/freezes can be given out then that entire section of the rules makes no sense and is totally useless.
I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.
Frank Lloyd Wright (1869 - 1959) |
Operative
[~F~]
26-09-2009 22:14
| It WAS in the rules..but not clearly defined. It had yet to be determined that it was abuse. |
Hazgod
26-09-2009 22:19
| OK then, can people send me passwords please. I know hacking is against the rules but it can't be hacking if you willingly tell me your password. Here is another example of a grey area in the rules. Unfortunately, you are now allowed to exploit these grey areas until it's determined to be against the rules specifically, and then can only be punished AFTER it has been announced. Get those passwords in quickly people! |
esnow
[Manc]
26-09-2009 22:20
| Hazgod, having multiple account is against the rules. Your analogy fails.
Leaving death drops on the floor instead of picking them up isn't the rules.
[To: orange]18:41 esnow: Get in my belly! |
incubusking
[-TL-]
26-09-2009 22:21
| Lol players whine that mods are not listening to them and that they don't do much. However when mods do something to help benefit the game they are roundly criticized for their efforts by mostly the same people who criticized them in the first place for doing nothing. Makes you think if they will ever be happy, anyway you should be happy that they are making a genuine effort to do something to help the game. |
Operative
[~F~]
26-09-2009 22:21
| Hazgod that's somewhat ridiculous. Defined as sharing accounts which you aren't supposed to do...
Look, as I have said: Mods have ruled. Moderation's word is final. Move on. |
DreadedTroll
[~lll~]
26-09-2009 22:21
| @esnow Intentionally abusing a game bug is though.
Edited on 26-09-2009 22:22
I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.
Frank Lloyd Wright (1869 - 1959) |
Hazgod
26-09-2009 22:23
| Yes, I know my example was over the top but my point still stands. There are "catch all" rules for exactly these situations. Bug exploiting and the spirit of the rules. Why should some players be allowed to make quick gains by exploiting something and not be punished for it? |
NateHarper
[~SaS~]
26-09-2009 22:31
| just a quick question because i don't fully understand this bug.
why does the dropped items cause really bad lag for those moving and healing, but it doesn't lag the PK's attacking?
Nate |
Ihit Youdie
26-09-2009 22:33
| There not moving.. and they have been sitting there and all the pictures have loaded nate. |
HeartOfTheSun
26-09-2009 22:33
| It does cause them some lag, but they have already loaded up all the images so all their screen has to do is load the player's list. Whereas the players running through have to load tons of images.
Fly with me into the sun and watch as time begins to burn. |
MiddleGA
[Solus]
26-09-2009 22:33
| I'm smart enough to avoid the OL entirely since it doesn't interest me in the slightest but there's at least one thing is the mod post that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, specifically the bit where it at least strongly implies that dropping more than 3 items is suspicious.
I've picked up plenty of random drops at, say, Valera & scoop whatever I can and then drop the debris; i.e. five different kinds of burnts, as a little treat I typically drop all beers, occasionally a stray bronze tool that isn't worth walking up to Eully to sell by itself, etc. Point being, it doesn't seem all that uncommon to legitimately have more than three different item types to drop after picking up a death drop.
As someone mentioned up the thread a bit (sorry, don't recall who said it off hand), there's probably not enough different types of burnt fish to drop to trigger lag so wouldn't it make more sense to have this unofficial limit be however high that number is (seems the problem is being triggered at/around 8-10 best I can figure based on the various gripe threads).
Wouldn't it make more sense to set this arbitrary limit on the high end instead of the low end, in order to avoid somehow trying to make Syrnian criminals out of people who could very easily being doing something perfectly legit like dropping the random debris from a fully recovered death drop?
No skin off my nose either way, it just didn't seem to make a lot of sense from a numbers standpoint. |
SirTheta
[MAAN]
26-09-2009 22:37
| There not moving.. and they have been sitting there and all the pictures have loaded nate.
It does cause them some lag, but they have already loaded up all the images so all their screen has to do is load the player's list. Whereas the players running through have to load tons of images.
That's not what causes the lag, what are you talking about 
Edit -
MiddleGA - I had no lag from 30+ items, so I don't see why the limit couldn't be even higher.
Edited on 26-09-2009 22:39 |
NateHarper
[~SaS~]
26-09-2009 22:38
| hmm ok thanks both
tho the PK'ers have to be moving occassionaly i suppose, otherwise the player list wouldnt update for them either.
Nice quick response from the mods on the issue tho |
Ihit Youdie
26-09-2009 22:42
| They dont nate, they sit and when they see a name.. they WILL get a chance to get 1-3 hits without doubt... they can hit 50-60s.. which is more then enough :o |
