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Naruto Uzumaki
[TSoH]
14-07-2021 17:50



That is all.
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ItsFearnyyy
[LoC]
14-07-2021 18:03



+1
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ExcessBadger
[Karma]
14-07-2021 19:16


I didn't hate fighting her, and it was an easy few K exp.

Her healing should probably be toned down and if she is scaling her damage to higher leveled players that shouldn't be the case.

She is a level 0 boss and should be easy. If anything make her heal less and have her spawn more since she should be an easy introduction to bosses and more players should be able to try the new system as much as possible.
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Rich
[-CR-]
14-07-2021 22:59



i fought her for the first time. im low lvl but AS A LOWER CB PLAYER, I dont really have any complaints on her..

My only complaint about bosses period (tho havent fought the others) is boss lvl 0 max hit is 58 and the next boss at lvl 1 is well over 100+, which which leaves over 50-75 health lvls to bridge the gap just to survive.

I hope some day there becomes more starter bosses, maybe a weaker version that mimics the special abilities of the others to help you "Train" or learn to fight them...

Edited on 14-07-2021 23:00
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Liu Bei
[CLEAN]
14-07-2021 23:27



I agree with Rich on the potential for more "lower" level bosses to "learn".

Obviously lower exp and drops.
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Swooshy
[O.G.]
15-07-2021 00:02



I'm pretty sure bosses were designed to be cl 100 and up, emma is just a 'teacher'.
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Vampyre
[Corps]
15-07-2021 04:47



Swooshy if that was the point then surely it would have been smarter to have Emma be harder to fight? Why have her leveled for where she is when all the other bosses are leveled for nearly 50 to 75+ health levels more?(Going by what Rich has stated here.)

If bosses are supposed to be "hard" then the teacher should be "hard" too. She should be no more than 20 health levels below the lowest of the level 1 bosses. There should be other bosses between her and the others for people who are still 20+ health levels behind the other bosses but are starting to outpace where Emma is stats wise.
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Swooshy
[O.G.]
15-07-2021 08:52



I was just restating what I've see others say in chat. IDK why her level is so much lower lol
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ItsFearnyyy
[LoC]
15-07-2021 10:12



The fact I use more HP on a level 0 Boss than others fighting a Level 1-2 Boss just doesn't make sense either.
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Anarcho FooBear
[World]
15-07-2021 10:47



if they remove the extra punishment against higher levels I'd show up and make it a little faster, just against that discrimination mostly

The poor drops don't help gather interest but I can basically break even on her if there's enough people
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Rich
[-CR-]
15-07-2021 13:35



What are yous talking about, I used like 300hp on Emma and Vamp if you made Emma higher she would just be a boss not a Starter Boss. She’s supposed to be weaker, my message was ment to suggest a few more a little higher then Emma to help you learn the special abilities of the bosses. Emma is fine being so much weaker, that’s why her drops suck

Edited on 15-07-2021 16:48
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Naruto Uzumaki
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15-07-2021 15:16



Rich,

1. 300 hp is like 1 lmc, so sounds about right.
2. There were higher level people with you that get hit for more and probably spent more hp, and for their time all they got was a LMC.
Rich
[-CR-]
15-07-2021 16:47



Ruto, I haven’t fought a lvl 1 or 2 boss but I am referring to the comment of using more HP against one of those vs Emma.

I don’t see how that’s possible, but I guess maybe it is if that’s what is being said
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G Bob
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15-07-2021 16:56



If a high lvl player joins Emma, they get hit for more than you, dev team made it so, to make us high lvl players move to boss lvl 1 or 2, so yes we use more hp.
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Vampyre
[Corps]
16-07-2021 04:33



Rich I wasn't saying to make her harder XD I was merely stating that the fact that there is such a huge gap between her and the level 1 bosses is silly. Was also saying that there should be either lower level "bosses" between her and the others...or even just harder "trainer" bosses.

I know as a person who was eyeing potentially working combat for the boss fights (need to level for the palace quest anyways) its kind of a turn off to realize I'll be stuck with the same boss for 50+ levels. If I could fight emma knowing that in 15-20 levels I'd be able to fight a new boss (even, as I said, a "trainer" boss who is also level 0) would be an incentive to actually work towards something. Right now I'm tempted to just get the emma level and fight her the once to say I did it...then just go back to ignoring the entire boss system again.
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Rich
[-CR-]
17-07-2021 00:50



GBob: So your saying the Max hit if 58 for emma isnt really her max hit? while she may only hit me for max of 58, she might hit you for 70? trying to understand

Edited on 17-07-2021 00:50
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Vampyre
[Corps]
17-07-2021 08:00



Rich if I had to guess thats pretty much what hes saying. If you're in the combat range that the game staff wants to face Emma she "pulls her punches" and goes "easy" on you. If you're pushing into the range for the other bosses she takes off her kid gloves and makes you earn your win. As Gbob said, its a measure to force the bigger players into facing the bigger bosses rather than just grinding exp and goodies off of Emma.
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smitts
[~ADV~]
17-07-2021 08:56


Her max hit remains the same but

The level of her average hits is apparently bumped, and the damage that higehr level players do seems to be softened

That said, my HP use was nowhere near ridiculous (wasn't 300 hp though ), and for the time invested if a couple of high levels fight it becomes better exp than most spots for me.

Where she is currently, if I'm on Rima I will wander over and fight her, but I won't run across Syrnia to get to her.

If a lower level clannie wanted to bump their exp then its worth me joining to just to speed it up
Askeladd
[*TF*]
17-07-2021 11:21



Emma is basically the entry level something to show the inner workings and give players an idea of what they do.

So Yeah sorry Emma is kinda supposed To suck the reasoning is looking long term at the situation and I understand the points made here but allow me to explain.

Dev have not even scratched the surface for bosses. there are a lot of problems right now the list is big and it is getting looked at.

projects are winding down and time that has been scattered across different areas of the roadmap are being freed up and things are happening all be it slowly at first.

whilst the devs have looked at the forum posts and stated there will not be major changes to bosses this does not meamn they are against changes at all but it is understanding what can be done and what is worth while to do.

Lastly to address Emma the situation is quite simple she is basically to show players into the boss mode.

I am not saying she can not be looked at but There are too many ideas floating around and not enouth time and hands to make so many great ideas happen but more bosses will come.

their levels their designs their fundamentals will vary they will vary across CL ranges and close the gaps eventually giving players of varying cls a chance to experience bosses.
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ItsFearnyyy
[LoC]
17-07-2021 11:55



'Lastly to address Emma the situation is quite simple she is basically to show players into the boss mode'

She shows nothing... she has no requirements like the other bosses apart from max sure you have more than 58 HP (max hit).

'I am not saying she can not be looked at but There are too many ideas floating around and not enouth time and hands to make so many great ideas happen but more bosses will come'

Again stop making more bosses... fix the one we have currently before more are added to the game.
[2] 21:35 Durins_Bane[Moria]: i like to fart in my hand and give people covid tests by cupping it over their faces is that weird?

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Askeladd
[*TF*]
17-07-2021 12:13



Bosses are not actively being made. I apologise for the miscommunication but what I said was there was plans and concepts. current bosses are being looked at as well based on feedback and suggestions from the community.

In regards to the point about Emma.

I get what you are saying maybe I can words it differently but she is a gateway boss thats the bare bones of it and that will not change. you can say she sucks but she is fit for purpose. her stance was basically to be a part of the quest to start bosses.

But that does not mean we wont look at her alongside the others

the point of my original post was merely addressing the points about filling the cl gaps and the state of Emma.
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smitts
[~ADV~]
17-07-2021 12:13


"She shows nothing... she has no requirements like the other bosses apart from max sure you have more than 58 HP (max hit)."

Erm:

Its a group fight that doesn't work the same as anything in game, other than the other bosses
She has special attacks that are triggered by certain things (boss like)
She has a max hit same as the other bosses
The cooldown to fight her (bosses)
The 180 second join nonsense (bosses)
Even healing - ability similar to other bosses

She works well as an introduction

Other complaints go for it...
ItsFearnyyy
[LoC]
17-07-2021 12:47



She has no other requirements apart from health.

Her drops are terrible.
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Rich
[-CR-]
17-07-2021 17:07



my combat stats : 60 attack, 45 str, 45 def, 59/59hp. full saurus armor, ret. gauntlets, Esq. Sandles, Rood horn...
Armour: 91 + 0
Aim: 56 + 12
Power: 45 + 6


Every hit i took fighting Emma was 48-57(Her max is 59), im not sure how easy thats taking it or how much harder she could hit me on average.

I dont see how she can hit anyone more, on average, then shes been hitting me on average..

Edited on 17-07-2021 17:13
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ItsFearnyyy
[LoC]
17-07-2021 18:20



You and 7 players are attacking Emma The Teacher (Boss level 0) at Rima city - university archives.

HP Start: 24,032
HP End: 23,373

Emma healed 8 times
Took 16 mins to kill

CL 97

Attack - 111
Defence - 69
Strength - 69
Health - 71 (81 HPs)
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