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Walker
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 00:02



I know it took Aussie years of complaining about how terrible woodcutting was for it to get a lotta love, but comparing woodcutting to fishing shows how much fishing has become the forgotten child of the trio of resource gathering skills. Mining is also far, far better but I've committed to woodcutting being my comparison.

Woodcutting:
Maxes at 13.33exp/sec (achieveable at 192 without crowding)
OP tools better than plat and syriet weapons, usable at level 1 attack (with relevant woodcutting level)
Tools provide timer reduction above min timer
Primary: 4-20 wood
Seeds: Pineapple, watermelon, vervefruit, fruit of life
Lockeds: Sarcs, LACs
Gems: Carnelian

Fishing:
Maxes at 13.66exp/sec (used Depths as Thabis is not a permanent option. This rate achieveable somewhere around 237 (need confirmation))
No timer reductions or OP tools (less seasonal event nets/rods, that don't work at Mariner's locations)
Primary: 1 of lantern squid, salmon shark (roughly 2:1 in favour of lantern squid)
Leather boots
Lockeds: LTBs, LSCs (or unlocked)
Gems: Lapis (Ha, good joke)

TL/DR;
- Roughly equal exp output, though achieved 20+ levels sooner for woodcutting (need confirmation on when you hit min timer at Depths), more with tiro hatchet in use
- OP tools and timer reductions, not so for fishing
- Primary resources marginally better for fishing (offset by larger min timer)
- Secondary drops, woodcutting blows fishing out of the water (pun intended)

Seriously, show us some love.

Edit #2000: At 212 fishing a fisher would only be getting roughly 50% of a woodcutter's hourly gains at 192 (with no crowding for both parties).

FISHING LIVES MATTER

Edited on 12-01-2021 19:58
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Prometheus
[TSoH]
11-01-2021 01:00



yes
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ShatterStar
[Pond]
11-01-2021 01:35


Metal tools and yes!
dacheezball
[Tasty]
11-01-2021 01:59



You forgot to mention the absurd break rate of nets at MD causing you to have to babysit the game or risk losing pretty large amounts of exp every hour. I agree with everything else.
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Yuuko
[TLO]
11-01-2021 02:49



Was ready to grumble about woodcutting but honestly this is such a good argument for fishing. The higher tier fishing spots getting LTB's whilst we woodcutters get Lsarcs and LACs?

Absolutely a fishing update would be awesome.


P.S. do the new scrolls even involve fishing?
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Mr Tiddles
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11-01-2021 03:59



no
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Ansem
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11-01-2021 08:11


Yes.
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Akkarin
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 09:56



First, let's address tools:

1) Agreed, fishing needs tools to have stats to balance out with the other skills, or remove stats on existing tools.

2) Tiro shouldn't be mentioned as it is imbalanced, favouring those who can afford ridiculous pricing, or who got RNG luck to get access to the scrolls (not I). Allowing those to have a 10% exp boost over others for no other reason than RNG luck.

3) Fishing has been left out from timer reduction tools from holidays, because it was broken and never fixed, this should be addressed.

Second, let's look at exp:

1) We max out at 13.33 - wheras you DO have thabis, which you ignored. Even if it is 3 days a week, your theoretical exp gains are higher.

2) The problem is the same with woodcutting, the exp growth is 185-192, the curve needed to be smoother.(Higher min timer, new forest)
At level 170 at Ammon, it's 14k/hour (all not including crowding)
At level 185 at Ammon, it's about 27k/hour
At level 192, it's 48k/hour.

Then let's look at primary resource drops:

1) wood vs fish, no contest fish is more useful and more valuable (wood at 0.7gp per, salmon shark at 81gp per)

Finally let's look at secondary resources:

1) Seeds gp value far outweighs anything fishing receives - and part of the problem is the minimum timer at Ammon is 30 seconds, so the seed drop rate increased greatly from the starting timer at level 100 at ammon.

TL;DR
I suggest fishing gains tools with stats, to balance against the other resource gaining skills. Exp curves for woodcutting and fishing should have been addressed to smooth the exp gains (woodcutting is notoriously slow until around 170, then exponentially increases until 192 for min timer with no crowding.)
Secondary drops should be reviewed, but should take into account fish value against woods.

Edit: added exp values for ammon levels.

Edited on 11-01-2021 10:26
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Walker
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 10:04



Cheers for the lengthy reply Alex.

Just to touch on Thabis, I didn't include it for the below:

Thabis peaks at 19.44exp/sec (undeniably better than Ammon and Depths, even if the level required for this is presumably high 200's).

However you have two scenarios:

Get 19.44exp/sec 3 days a week, and 6.67exp/sec 4 days a week at EDocks (average of 12.14exp/sec a day over a full week).

Get 19.44exp/sec 3 days a week, and 13.66exp/sec 4 days a week at Depths, using 6 teleport orbs a week and crossing OLs 3 times a week in the process (average of 16.12exp/sec a day over a full week).

This was why I disregarded Thabis from my original post. Scenario A is less exp, Scenario B is expensive.

Edited on 11-01-2021 10:07
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Jeffreyj
[Pond]
11-01-2021 10:36



Mining is worse than the two skills you comparing. But thats another discussion.

- Im all for adding metal tools for fishing.
- I think part of problem with fishing is that cooks are spoiled and only want to cook the best fish from a location. Making swordfish, lantern squid etc very hard to sell. Add ways that you can catch a fish of choice or make it more interesting to cook for the cooks.
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smitts
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 11:47


2 Possible things for Jeff's point

1. Add swordfish donation to pirates?

SFB raws/iron etc price have gone through the roof, partly as we have less lower levelled players and pirates require them. Add swordfish donation and make it a pure HP total needed for pirates, bumps swordfish price drops SFB prices win/win?

2. Multiple Fish

Other options could be multiple fish cooked at same time once you're over a certain level? It would need balancing, I know for instance LCA will only cook swordies when he needs GP, as the profit rate almost makes up for the rubbish exp.

So he'd probably cook them more if he could do 2 at once. If the exp is unchanged it would probably just be the "trash fish" that are used (Wouldn't waste salmon shark exp doing 2 at once)

We're gonna have the same issue with Lantern squids as swordies, you can buy them at 1gp/hp already and as more players reach min.timer at Mariners it'll get worse.

(And the nets break rate is just ?! Basically turns fishing into an active skill)
Rag
[-OLD-]
11-01-2021 11:55


Can I get my 100 mil fishing xp back that were deducted with no explanation whatsoever (how they came up with exactly 100 mil) when fishing was nerved and thabis basically killed?
Valkyrie
[-BA-]
11-01-2021 12:00



Always nice fishing posts turn into swats at the cooks..
Yes ofcourse we are 'spoilt' the gains from cooking also greatly are smaller than fishing or even woodcutting for that matter. So i am kind of at the point to say it is justified.

If people here already say Salmon sharks are 81 gp..
That means RAW hp is 3gp/hp.. So where is my (as a cook) gain in cooking Your fish?

In my opinion both fishing AND cooking need an upgrade together since those are supposed to go hand in hand.

Cooking has even lesser drops than the fishers are already complaining about, plus, if no cooks your fish is useless also.

I agree with the original post Thabis has been made redundant for several reasons:
• the only day on/day off way it works
• Bosses drop tons of crabs on a daily basis.
• Thabis fish is only useful at a small timeframe.
• Coal makes cooking Thabis fish expensive
• Salmon sharks you can cook ALWAYS. And even then still lantern squid > most Thabis fish.

Just my 2 cents why changing the fishing is a hefty operation.

Edited on 11-01-2021 12:02
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smitts
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 12:29


Valkyrie:

I agree with you cooking needs an update, it is insanely overpowered compared to all other skills and should definitely be nerfed.

1. You say 0 profit on salmon shark, yet lantern squid and swordfish go at 1gp/hp, wood is worthless, and HP goes at 3gp/hp. So you make 2gp/hp profit on every fish you cook.

Smiths make a loss on every item they make, cooking makes ridiculous profit!

(That makes the whole fishing/woodcutting gp production argument worthless when cooks can make those ridiculous amounts

2. The exp in cooking dwarfs that of fishing (and every other skill other than broken obby smelting, which is seriously limited by platina use and there are bountiful amounts of salmon sharks), personally I'd nerf cooking completely.

3. Cooking is a processing skill, of which there are no drops - see smithing. Ie, you don't get drops. That's by design not something that really needs addressing.


In conclusion, all cooks on this game are obscenely wealthy and make ridiculous exp. Back to fishing vs woodcutting !
Walker
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 13:21



Prome, Tiddles, Ansem - care to elaborate on your 'yes', 'no', 'yes' (respectively)? Doesn't offer much to the discussion!
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Walker
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 14:09



The disparity between exp gains at the top spot (as per the highlighted example in my main post of 212 fishing vs 192 woodcutting) for fishing vs woodcutting is likely down to the fact levelling up at Ammon gives a reduction of 3 or 4 seconds, versus the 2 second reduction gained at Depths.

Ammon 3 or 4 seconds every level until min timer.. EDocks 20 seconds reduction in 26 levels (not even hitting min time as an excuse for the low return).

More food for thought!

Edited on 11-01-2021 14:16
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Valkyrie
[-BA-]
11-01-2021 14:34



'In conclusion, all cooks on this game are obscenely wealthy and make ridiculous exp. Back to fishing vs woodcutting !'

I already knew you did not have all your marbles, but i think you should need to check your math again

People have been trying to get a hold on fish for ages, if indeed people are fishing, they definately do not end up on the market

Perhaps you get your clannies to the point where you can force them into taking other raws than the ones they want, but for the time being..
Swordies and lanterns at 1 gp/hp is in your head only

Edited on 11-01-2021 14:35
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smitts
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 14:48


"Swordies and lanterns at 1 gp/hp is in your head only"

I bought 1 million HP of lantern squid at 1gp/hp last week. (technically 1,000,500 to be pedantic)

Try to avoid throwing insults, or at very least fact check before doing so.
JLockmavs
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11-01-2021 15:19



I think thieving should be more of a priority.
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HoB
[Corps]
11-01-2021 15:43



Fishing has always gotten the short end of the stick in contrast to mining and woodcutting, a use for lapis and more durable tools would be a step in the right direction that's relatively easy to impliment
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Rag
[-OLD-]
11-01-2021 16:04


Erm...fishing was the first skill where high level content was added and reached (level 200+).
And that just showed that the initial timer/xp values were poorly set (even though we as players already warned staff and saw it coming at around level 160ish), resulting in ~130k xp/hour at min timer (30s) at Thabis.

This then got some non fishers really mad, so it got hit by the nerf bat hard (and Andi and me got a lot of xp deducted retroactively...whith prolly some mumbo jumbo estimations behind that...:/): timer reduction per level was decreased and min timer increased.

So after that little fun fishing is now probably the worst of the resource gathering skills (and Thabis is dead, everytime I pass there nowadays it's empty).

Edited on 11-01-2021 16:09
BLOODYSKY
[Drunk]
11-01-2021 16:24



Lapis has unknown future potential.

Hmm Love For Fishing...Use To Be No Locker/Depths.

Woodcutting TOPS At Lvl 100 Forest...Even if exp was just 450/500 for next forest or 2 forests wouldn't drastically effect crap if the timer starts higher and you gotta be lvl 300-350 some to be on min or almost min.

Amazing what some focus on, Think about this...since Pura Introduced...since Anasco introduced...Every Skill That Can Has Surpassed Lvl 100. Except Woodcutting In Over 10 Years We Have Gotten 1 New Forest Which Isn't Above Lvl 100. Meanwhile oh We Got Pura Hatchet, Tiro Hatchet, No New Fun, No New Seeds, No New Deeper Locations With Higher Lvl Above 100 Required.

While Yall Wanna Complain Without Knowing, So what if aussie(and many others) has min timer at Ammon sure may bring more seeds yet no forest beats OL.52 for seeds/hr gaining.

Anyways, Is frustrating people focus on certain skills push push push them up up up meanwhile when has Woodcutting & Farming Gotten Love?, Higher Forests, New Seeds.

Say you're active 5 hrs/daily while others are active 10-15 hrs ofc you fall way behind the more active people. comparing expXtimerXwhatever=Is only being foolish. is expXactivityXtimerXactions a day=exp gains.
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Ihit Youdie
[~ADV~]
11-01-2021 16:29


Why would they give you 100m xp back rag? Fishing was broken at the time it's not anymore, your xp was adjusted when fishing was adjusted inline with the hourly gains. Why should anyone get to keep all that xp when players these days cant get remotely close to what you were getting back then?
Prometheus
[TSoH]
11-01-2021 16:29



Walker, to elaborate more on my "yes" answer.
I agree with what you said, and it should be done.
Hope that makes it clear.
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Ansem
[~one~]
11-01-2021 16:31


What Prome said.
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