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iota
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07-09-2020 17:45


https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/covid-19/finally-confirmed-vitamin-d-nearly-abolishes-icu-risk-in-covid-19



and, no, this is not my website

Edited on 07-09-2020 20:41
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Toffy
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08-09-2020 17:57



I'm not trusting anything on his website about Covid-19, except the link to the paper and then read that yourself. Nor do I trust any of his findings he says about it as he is not a medical researcher but has a PhD in Nutritional Sciences.

Looking at the paper tho it does look promising but as I'm not a medical researcher and am only an analytical Chemist, so I'm not fully up on the research been done and don't have all the fact available if I was in medical research.

It's also a pilot study so more data is required before making sweeping statement like in your title of your post and his website.

Also considering he selling this; "The Food and Supplement Guide for the Coronavirus" on his website, it makes him sounds like a snakeskin oil salesman.

I could go on poking holes into this but I'll leave some room for others if they feel like doing it too, basically, I can't be bothered to write more...

Edited on 08-09-2020 18:24
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iota
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08-09-2020 21:52


"Looking at the paper tho it does look promising ..."


I don't happen to be a regular reader of The Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. So, the only reason I was aware of the study article was because Chris was specifically researching this topic and shared it with his readers. Normally, I would not have shared this type of post here. However, the results were very promising, so I felt it was worth sharing. Caveat emptor.
Toffy
[Drunk]
08-09-2020 23:23



"I don't happen to be a regular reader...."

See want happens if you talk part of a sentence and forget the rest if you are going to quote me please quote at least the full sentence, as I can do the same to you... (see above)

Time to poke more holes in it;

If this was the break threw it would be all of the news, but as it's not, it's obviously not all it's cracked up to be. It's tested against a drug that is discredited by most of the scientific community and would be no better than a placebo but could be actually worse than a placebo. As other studies show hydroxychloroquine could actually be worse than a placebo.

Basically he a Con artist preying on the uninformed, he using that article to sell his Qwack ideas and remedies, he a charlatan...

Edited on 08-09-2020 23:25
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iota
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09-09-2020 02:46


Sigh. Perhaps you should read the original article again more carefully. *All* patients received the same standard care (including the hydroxychloroquine). The difference was whether or not they received the calcifediol.

As for the ad hominem attacks on the author of the blog, who cares. What does that have to do with the merits of the article he was talking about?

This should be breakthrough news. The fact that is not is what is discouraging. I shared it here because people are not likely to see it on the news.
Maggie
[CLEAN]
09-09-2020 08:13



The trial was conducted at the Reina Sofía University Hospital in Córdoba, Spain. The trial included 76 patients with COVID-19 pneumonia. Although this is no longer the standard of care, all patients were treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and, when needed, a broad-spectrum antibiotic.

Antibiotics are strong medicines that treat bacterial infections. Antibiotics won't treat viral infections because they can't kill viruses.

hydroxychloroquine: One of the world's largest studies - the Recovery trial run by Oxford University - has involved 11,000 patients with coronavirus in hospitals across the UK and included testing hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness against the disease, along with other potential treatments.

It concluded that "there is no beneficial effect of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with Covid-19" and the drug has now been pulled from the trial.

Azithromycin: Azithromycin is used to treat infections caused by susceptible bacteria such as Mycobacterium avium, M. intracellulare, and Chlamydia

The use of the words 'nearly' and 'probably' do not raise faith in this treatment:
Although there were, thankfully, too few deaths to run statistics on, since patients generally would be admitted to the ICU before dying, and since vitamin D nearly abolished the risk of ICU admission, we can infer that in a larger study with more deaths, vitamin D would probably abolish or nearly abolish the risk of death.

Edited on 09-09-2020 08:23
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Toffy
[Drunk]
09-09-2020 13:15



He used 1 pilot Study of 76 people as the sole data to back his website where he is selling stuff which he claims to protect you from Covid-19, that is either cherry-picking data or he been unethical. If the data was maybe 100 times that number in the pilot study and maybe a Clinical phase 3 trial study I would pay more attention.

I object to this mostly because he is monetary this when it's not been fully researched, he reminds me of Jude Law character in Contagion. If he was doing this with pure scientific intent he wouldn't be using the above study to try and sell something on his website.

Remember he, not a medical doctor but a Nutritionalist. Would you go to a petroleum company to get your car fixed or a mechanic in a garage?

If you don't understand why I'm sceptical about this I would advise you do to a bit of reading on subjects like; Ethics in Science, how clinical studies are run and the differences between science and pseudoscience.
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iota
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09-09-2020 13:56


Really? His whole website is solely based on this one study? Good grief.

And his website has nothing to do with the validity of a published, peer reviewed, randomized control trial that he had nothing to do with other than reporting on it.

If you have a problem with the actual study, please provide a counterfactual one that is also published, peer reviewed, randomized controlled trial.

I'll wait.
Toffy
[Drunk]
09-09-2020 14:54



they are probably thousands of studies around the world been done at the moment into Covid-19, I'm not a medical researcher only an Analytical Chemist and I don't claim to know everything medical researcher are investigating into CoviD-19, just like the fact he is ONLY a Nutritionalist but unlike me, he is making claims no medical practitioners seem to be making atm, mostly as the Data isn't probably strong enough to make that assumption.

He then picks studies and uses the data so he can try and SELL you something that Countries arent advising the population to take, if it was that good, surely every country would be advising it's population to be taking vitamin D. Which last time I looked this wasn't happening, so the data cant is that strong for the claims he makes.

His website is for him to make money by the looks of it, he then finds info that backs up his way of making money. He then using studies from a journal to make claims on his website, his website is NOT in a Journal nor is his website peer-reviewed, so it may as well be written on a toilet wall.

Yes, the study was in a peer-reviewed journal but his finding aren't and he took a lot of that study out of context, he using science mixed with his pseudoscience to try and make money out of people.

Like I've send before he a charlatan.
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Yuuko
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09-09-2020 14:57



I'm glad none of you are in charge of medical policy
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Toffy
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09-09-2020 15:05



Me to Yuuko and I include myself in that statement, I just wish medical policies were done by medically qualified people and not politicians but that does not seem to be the way most of the time, unfortunately

Edited on 09-09-2020 15:08
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Greensky
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09-09-2020 15:35



I have a rock in my yard (in Ontario) that my dad gave me to ward off tigers. To this day, I have never had a tiger in my yard. Therefore, the rock abolishes the risk of tigers in my yard!

I would put more weight into this study, if the ONLY thing the patients were given was Vitamin D and there was no other treatment involved.
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Liah
[CLEAN]
09-09-2020 17:34



I like the findings in this article. I heard before vitamin D was good to battle covid and it's nice to see it back in actual research.

Based on the article I wouldn't call it 'finally confirmed' though. There are interesting results and I'm willing to believe vitamin D helps, but with a relative small sample size, different medications used at the same time, not knowing the vitamin D status of the patients, I'd say more research is needed to really conclude things.

When we know how much vitamin D is needed to be effective, and whether it's the vitamin D or the interaction of vitamin D with other medication, and when the results here are reproduced on larger scale, then we can call it confirmed.

The original researcher never concluded this is the answer, so the author on the other website shouldn't either.

The real conclusion was:
"In conclusion, our pilot study demonstrated that administration of calcifediol may improve the clinical outcome of subjects requiring hospitalization for COVID-19. Whether that would also apply to patients with an earlier stage of the disease and whether baseline vitamin D status modifies these results is unknown. Therefore, a multicenter randomized controlled trial using calcifediol, properly matched (Prevention and Treatment With Calcifediol of COVID-19 Induced Acute Respiratory Syndrome (COVIDIOL)), in 15 Spanish hospitals, funded by “Clinical Research Program at COVID-19 “Progreso y Salud” Foundation and Foundation for Biomedical Research of Córdoba (FIBICO), Spain, (registered as NCT04366908 in NIH Trialnet database) will be carried out with the number of patients recalculated from the data provided by this study."

Notice the word 'may' they used? And the limitations they found in their own study?

Don't get me wrong, it's good to see research like this and it brings hope that we can find the right weapons to use against the virus. What I dislike is that Chris gives advice regarding supplements without knowing when it works or how much is needed for it to work, or much each of his reader will need since diet and need for supplements are very individual.

Edited on 09-09-2020 17:36
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Brown
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09-09-2020 17:36



That's interesting Greensky..I got stones in my garden too and never seen a tiger here either! Is it stone in general or maybe we have stone from the same place in our gardens!
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Greensky
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10-09-2020 00:29



It has to be a specific anti-tiger stone. Stones in general don't deter tigers. It is quite possible that you have an anti-tiger stone, however, considering that you don't get tigers in your yard.
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