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aussiebeast
[Core]
29-04-2012 11:50



A lot of players have contacted me about being a woodcutting-farmer and asked for advice. So it became apparent that this thread should be posted in forums to answer a lot of your questions and give you advice on how to best proceed.

As a background, I progressed through the lower forests and was established on Elven when Exrollia was launched. Heck I even joined Maggie at Bonewood (Skull) for quite a few levels. I moved from Unera to Penteza at level 47 woodcutting, and from Penteza to Khaya at level 78. The final move was from Khaya to Ammon at about level 110 woodcutting.

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Keep in mind, that there will NEVER be a balance between where you can chop and what you can plant UNLESS you are prepared to forego woodcutting experience to get the seeds you need to move through the levels and ultimately the seed types.

As a rule of thumb, I have never moved forest unless I could plant at least TWO seed types at the higher forest. This is where the sacrifice in woodcutting experience really hits home. But if you want to focus on your farming as well, you simply MUST do it.

I am sure that you are wondering who I have spoken to about this, and I am sure that they won't mind being mentioned here. They include: Truscot, Absolute Legend, Kevalaa, TheBeast, and a few more I can't recall right now. As you can see they aren't low level choppers or farmers.

Anyway, let's get into it

Starting out

- Don't go overboard establishing too many farms on the mainlands/Skull as you will most likely not work there for long once your farming level progresses. try to work with 2 farms with 400 slots. Keeping these stocked at low level is very easy.
- Farms at Isri, Lemo, Unera are good to start with while you work on Remer and Dearn. As you can't build more than one farm on Exrollia and none on Webbers, try to build your farms at port towns, or close to it if you choose this option.
- At low levels, you have to plant EVERY seed you get, and you will continue to do so until it becomes impractical to get larger quantities of the lower seeds.
- Try to use at least 2 farms nearby every forest (where you can) to maintain farming gains.

Woodcutting in conjunction with other skills

When you get to both level 40 and 55 woodcutting, where you chop depends a lot on your combat level. If you haven't attained a combat level of about 20 then Avinin is too dangerous to contemplate (the auto-attacks can be fatal as many have found out traversing Exrollia with a low CL), likewise with Aloria the quest to cut there involves fighting at Kaldra to kill 5 chippeway. But other nasties lurk there too. The gorgon cloaker and centaur pack a nasty little punch when confronted. So take the time to read Orange's Combat advice forum and structure at least your hit points to survive the quest.

Ammon (the level 100 forest) too has a quest to chop there. One part of the quest requires mining level 30 to clear the rocks, the other needs construction level 15 to build the bridge. Just a couple of other things to keep in mind in skill building should you chose to chop at the elite forest ;) You might consider getting these levels prior to launching your assault on the Anasco forests.

Choices at level 40 woodcutting

- If you are serious about being a woodcutting farmer, you will have to decide between 2 options once you get to level 40 woodcutting and are able to plant grain and strawberry seeds:
(1) head to Avinin (Exrollia) and have only one farm that is close, and but not where you work. Avinin has less wood and less crowding, but only one location you can build that is close. Auto-attacks may prevent you from choosing this option.
(2) head to Elven and have farms close at hand. Penteza Forest is quite crowded, but you do have a trading post and buildable land closeby.
- at this level woodcutting, you will still be needing to plant Unera seeds as well as seeds from the level 40 forests.
- if you can't plant strawberry then stay at Unera for as long as required. The reason I say this is because if you chose to move before you could plant strawberry it takes a TON of grain from the level 40 forests to get from Corn to Strawberry.

Woodcutting 55

If you are solely working woodcutting and farming (and haven't bought/traded for seeds) then by the time you reach level 55 woodcutting you will be nowhere near planting spinach.

This is where you need to keep the farming gains ticking over to progress to Aloria seeds and beyond.

What I have told everyone who has asked... STAY AT PENTEZA. At least until they have been able to plant up to at least spinach if not eggplant.

To move from Aloria to Khaya? Dilemma!

Yes I know, the woodcutting gains at Khaya are tempting, but you won't be working on farming for long if you move. Simply put, there will be no seeds you can plant from Khaya. So what I advise is staying at Aloria (or even Penteza) to get the farming level to plant both broccoli and apple.

Which way you choose to do it from here is up to you. I chose the Penteza route as I was able to get more farming experience per chop than I could at Aloria. I kept records of it to check. But if you think of it this way. Higher woodcutting level means lower timer. Lower timer means more chops. More chops means the chance of more seeds. The other reason I stayed at Penteza was not only the timer, but the proximity to a lot of players selling lower seeds. Ogre tradingpost isn't far away, and ogres drop a lot of seeds as well.

The massive gap between the woodcutting seeds Orange -> Pineapple

Orange is from Khaya and Pineapple is from Ammon (I've not included combat drops as you're a woodcutting-farmer, right?)

All I can say here is... prepare for a long grind at woodcutting. 3 ways to tackle this:
(1) Head back to Aloria for the lower timer , but seeds that you WILL be able to plant and have a steady supply of them from your work
(2) Head back to even Penteza Forest for an even lower timer, and a very steady supply of seeds (remember seeds are farming experience and that's what you're after)
(3) Stay put at Khaya and plant whatever you get, most likely 400 seeds per week.

Overall, Aloria is the best option here as you can switch back to Khaya should you choose to. Besides, once you get set up on Kanzo it makes sense to stay nearer your farms ;) Penteza is the second best option.

The seed market

I was fortunate to have been a farmer before the easter screw up a few years back which enticed more people into farming. I will NOT comment on seed prices here, nor should buyers or sellers use this as a tool to gouge more gold from each trade.

This bit is harder to get into as seeds are a top commodity and resource. Expect to get into bidding wars with other prospective buyers LOL It's not funny, but trust me, it happens much more than you think.

A few things I have found very useful and have shared with others (treat them as MY rules of thumb):

- Do NOT approach a woodcutter who has NOT advertised their seeds for sale. If they haven't advertised, then they aren't selling just yet.
- A lot of woodcutters have farmers in their clan and trying to pressure them may mean that you are "banned" from trading with that clan should you go overboard and beg them to sell.
- Use your wood and grown to trade with first. Always ASK if wood/grown is acceptable as payment, never expect that it is.
- Set yourself a limit on what you will pay for each seed type, and avoid overstepping your own limits. Farmers are a broke bunch, which I am sure you will find out
- Try to avoid being a 3rd party to a seed trade, especially when offering prices. You can and most likely will lose potential trades if you overprice or underprice when asked.
- DON'T SPAM TRADE CHAT I know of a LOT of players who have seed buyers on their ignore list. Remember, if they can't see you... you miss out.
- in trades involving trading lower seeds for higher seeds you will find yourself in some very interesting discussions. whether it be exp:exp gp:gp or grown:grown, pick which way you will do it and stick with it. Comparing an exp:exp deal with the results of a gp:gp trade often results in arguments. In seedeed trades, be prepared to "lose" out on something once in a while. All I will say is... What goes around comes around

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Feel free to ask me questions about any of this

Please remember that this was written from personal experience, a lot of hard work and decision making. At the time of posting this I am level 158 woodcutting and 106 farming.

I hope this helps with your chopping and planting ;)

Edited on 30-04-2012 17:02
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Rami
[O.G.]
29-04-2012 11:59



Great guide Aussie. I can confirm that aussie keeps meticulous records and has ever since he became serious about farming, aside from a 1 week stint when he was in hospital with appendicitis.

While he has had much help from clannies and friends who have sold him seeds, he has done much of the hard work himself to get to the level he is in both woodcutting and farming, to the point of foregoing other skills or even holiday events.

I have followed his advice somewhat myself, and while I do not claim to be an expert my levels in woodcutting (86) and farming (49) demonstrate that I have followed his advice. I have not focused on it as it would mean less seeds for him, but I plod along, following his advice.

Well done and i hope this gets stickied!
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Jeffreyj
[Pond]
29-04-2012 17:13



Do you have any data on OL woodcutting?
I heared the seed drops there are amazing.
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Lamb
[Pond]
29-04-2012 17:18



(1) head to Avinin (Exrollia) and have no close farms.

Pensax is 1 move away. But only 1 spot to farm at. Also a tp. (Not a farmer by any means, just thought I would point it out)
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aussiebeast
[Core]
30-04-2012 00:07



If you read further up you will see I said to build where you are working Can't build at Avinin.

And most budding farmers will use more than one farm. Which is why I suggested moving to Penteza Forest instead of Avinin ;)

Edited on 30-04-2012 00:14
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MoorCat
[TxN]
30-04-2012 02:49


Choices at level 40 woodcutting

- If you are serious about being a woodcutting farmer, you will have to decide between 2 options once you get to level 40 woodcutting and are able to plant grain and strawberry seeds:
(1) head to Avinin (Exrollia) and have no close farms. Avinin has less wood and less crowding, but no location you can build that is close.

Interesting then how you spelled "working" as "close"
aussiebeast
[Core]
30-04-2012 03:23



I wrote it when I was at work, I changed it to read a little better for you ;) Hope this satisfies your levels ;)

Edited on 30-04-2012 03:25
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MoorCat
[TxN]
30-04-2012 03:29


Ah yes, accuracy is much better then inaccuracy.
aussiebeast
[Core]
30-04-2012 03:35



Very true ;) If that was the only inaccuracy in the entire post then I am satisfied. Remember I did suggest having several farms going at at time, Exrollia only allows for one house with farmland, which is why myself and countless others have chosen Penteza Forest over Avinin. There is some very good advice in there!
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MoorCat
[TxN]
30-04-2012 15:49


Getting more seeds due to low others is worth more then the few rounds lost due to traveling to BB for 1 of 2 400 slot farms recommended so think that is a second fail
aussiebeast
[Core]
30-04-2012 16:40



I wrote this guide to assist others who come to me seeking advice. The names I mentioned are all working their woodcutting and farming using what I posted as a guide, and their levels reflect success Not sure the Negative comments are warranted though. I'll leave you to your low seed trades in acronym chat ;) Thank you for taking the time to at least read it! It shows you are concerned about your own levels and how to better them
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Rami
[O.G.]
30-04-2012 16:48



An additional concern for chopping at Avinin. If someone is going to be only a woodcutter/farmer, then that person may not have the combat/health levels to safely survive the auto-attacks to get to Avinin, as well as then on to Pensax or back again to Avinin to check those 1-2 farms at BB or wherever they are.

In addition, unless you are on minimum timer at Avinin ( which if you are then you should be chopping elsewhere and have higher farming level anyway) then you would lose exp/wood/seeds, more than a few rounds. Furthermore, the likelihood of your farms being ready the first time you check them is always low, which then require further trips back and forth to check those distant farms, which means more risk of death from the autos, more lost exp/wood/seeds. Whereas, if you chop at Penteza, your farms are 10-20 seconds away and no autos.
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Loki
[1-Sec]
30-04-2012 17:38



A great guide that I hope gets stickied.

If no problem with you, I would like to copy it and put into my clan forum. (Just in case it ends up dropping off the forum.)

Great work mate.
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Bex
30-04-2012 17:40



Not bad for a Vic.. umm.. Carlton support.. We'll just go with good job, Beastie
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Atomkinder
[~FaM~]
30-04-2012 17:40



+1 for Stickying.

Excellent tips Too bad I'm not much of a Woodcutter or Farmer.

I'm also very interested about that Lv55 forest in the OL, if you have any information on the frequency of seed drops there?

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M S Scott
[GUARD]
30-04-2012 17:59



Very good guide. I copied it and put it in my clan forum ..
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MoorCat
[TxN]
30-04-2012 18:51


From Avinin, Port Calviny is safely away via a failed thieving attempt. If you are sufficiently below the thieving target's thieving level its only 150 seconds. From Port Calviny. Heading to Avinin is only 2 auto-attacks away and using a White horse not very long. Get a little backbone and combat to CL20 to be "safe" to weather those Auto-attacks and do better reaping more seeds because you will get more rounds due to the usual less "other players working here" at Avinin.
Red
[Zen]
30-04-2012 18:59



Excellent guide, will be following this when I delve into Woodcutting, copied into Clan Forum! All credits given. Thanks
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aussiebeast
[Core]
01-05-2012 02:25



Sorry to deflate your balloon MoorCat. You seem intent on trying to argue against very sound advice and a proven method. One day you will see that my guide can help you too gain levels
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Truant
[~FoS~]
01-05-2012 02:47



Very nice information there Aussie.

Some people use the "multiple character" method to get even moor seeds.
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VipersLFC
[Snake]
01-05-2012 04:39



Question and not going on one side of the argument or other. But does a level 40 forest provide enough seeds to keep more than one 400 slot farm going?

As was considering the Avinin route later. But if does then might go to Penteza even if is slower exp cutting wise.

Edited on 01-05-2012 04:40
aussiebeast
[Core]
01-05-2012 05:22



Not quite, but I sold a lot of wood to do it, and bought every seed I possibly could though. and I stayed there until level 78. And it involved planting a LOT of stupid grain LOL

Edited on 01-05-2012 05:31
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meh
[TSoH]
01-05-2012 15:37



really good guide aussie, almost inspires me to start. (i havent planted since the seed price hike).

one thing bothers me tho..carlton? seriously?
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JackGrimm
[~L~]
01-05-2012 15:48



You got me back into farming with this
Level 19, and I have a nice stock of seeds to get to level 25.

Great guide, and I hope this gets stickied.
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Masque
[O.G.]
01-05-2012 17:20



Awesome guide

If I ever make the trek back into woodcutting I will know what to reference because I'll definitely want to plant
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