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Karisade
[TSoH]
30-01-2019 00:45



Another petition!

I've only just started this today, so it's still a small fry. I remember when I posted my 'Bring Back Tim Hunt' petition in Off Topic a few years ago and people laughed that it only had about 7 signatures! Well that petition went on to garner over 2000 siggies and I have a grander goal of 5000 for this effort.

Fiona Onasanya is a black female British politician who worked hard to support the people of her constituency and had a squeaky clean record. Today she was jailed. Over a speeding offence.

Not only is she being squeezed out of politics, but she's also been banned from practising as a solicitor (her former occupation).

Here's the link (including more detailed info):

https://www.change.org/p/the-court-of-appeal-free-fiona-onasanya


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Synth
[InGen]
30-01-2019 07:16



Signed. Thanks for bringing this up, Kari. So often do we have the ability to make a difference by taking a few supportive steps toward good and reasonable causes, but we don't.

If you take the time to read through other causes you might support, you can also sign for them, but you don't have to. You do not have to donate, but you will be asked if you wish to do so.

Whatever you might do with Kari's link, I encourage you to take the time to consider both injustice and fairness. It's kind of mind-boggling when you think of all those tiny instances in which you could have done something to step in and help.

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Gaztplymouth
[Zen]
30-01-2019 08:58



Im sorry to say i can not sign. on two factors,
she and her brother lied to the police and the government body to get out of a speeding ticket. if this happened to any one else they would get the same punishment with no publicity. she is supposed to be a role model for her constabulary voted in by the people for the people.

The second is, she is refusing to resine based on her salary of £70k+ is her only income. if this was us and we went to jail for 3 months we will loose our jobs.

She should not be able to go back to being a solicitor because she was proven to brake the rules of practice. same for example as if a police officer was sent to jail they will possibly loose there job in law enforcement.
Nuthouse
[-DRS-]
30-01-2019 09:42



"Fiona Onasanya is a black female British politician who worked hard to support the people of her constituency and had a squeaky clean record. Today she was jailed. Over a speeding offence. "

Firstly I dont know why you needed to state that the lady was black, it's irrelevant.

She is continuing to get paid while she is in prison as an MP so I really dont see how she is getting pushed out of politics.

Surely being found guilty of perverting the course of justice by lying about two speeding tickets she should do the right thing and resign as an MP.

I'm sure the people in her constituency will have a say at the next election anyway.
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Karisade
[TSoH]
30-01-2019 22:04



A few points of information:

1) Fiona was only charged with a single speeding offence

2) Fiona's brother was the one who lied on the NIP form, not Fiona

3) Fiona was convicted of relaying the lie she'd been told by her brother

4) There was no hard evidence against Fiona

5) She still maintains her innocence
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Marley
[World]
30-01-2019 23:40



Just a curious question .... Do signatures from other countries on an online petition hold any weight at all? None of us are residents or registered voters in her country (if there are I doubt it's many), so would this really do any good? Sorry, but I'm one of those who won't be signing, simply because I refuse to "support" or "fight" for someone when the race card is used. We all bleed red, the color of her skin does not matter.
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Nuthouse
[-DRS-]
31-01-2019 10:00



She lied to the police and stated she wasn't driving - then continued to lie.

The sort of behaviour wouldnt look out of place both as a politician, or a lawyer

1) Fiona lied to the police and continued to cover up her brothers actions

2) as above

3) Fiona was convicted for lying to try and protect her brother otherwise known as perverting the course of justice

4) I think there was plenty of evidence if a jury convicted her

5) Yes - still refusing to take responsibility for her actions,

The judges comments are below

Ms Fiona OnasanyaI have already outlined my approach to the facts. I sentence you on the basis that by November 2017 you realised what was going on and took the disastrous decision to stand by the false information that had previously been submitted by your brother. For you the original offence was relatively minor in the overall scheme of such offences. Accepting as I do for the purposes of sentence that you were driving your car when it was caught by the speed camera, you had a clean licence and were well able to pay any fine that would have been imposed; and a speeding offence would have been no real or lasting embarrassment to you as a Member of Parliament. Your attempted deception continued from 2 November 2017 to the time of your trial; but it did not involve the arrest of innocent people and was ultimately unsuccessful. What takes your case out of the ordinary is your personal mitigation. I accept without reservation that this offence is totally out of character; and, as I have made clear, that it my have included an element of misplaced loyalty to your brother once you realised what had happened. You have no previous convictions. By your own efforts and personal qualities you have risen to a great height, which I am satisfied you intended to use not so much for personal advancement as for the cause of social justice which first persuaded you to go into politics. The character witnesses speak eloquently of your qualities and your exemplary character. You quickly made your mark as an able Member of Parliament and Parliamentarian and you have become a role model for many young black women who have been inspired by your attitude and achievements. I pay particular attention to the evidence of the person who was your school friend, now a barrister, who speaks of your ability to light up the room with your personality and who adds that even when at school you could sometimes be a little naïve and very trusting. The evidence of the witnesses is consistent with the evidence from the PSR, which I have read and taken into account. The fact remains that, both as a solicitor and as a Member of Parliament you are fully aware of the importance of upholding the proper administration of justice. You have not simply let yourself down; you have let down those who look to you for inspiration, your party, your profession and Parliament. The impact of your conviction has been disastrous for you. You have been expelled from the Labour Party and it seems inevitable that you will be struck off as a solicitor.But as things stand, it is not right to say that you have lost everything: you have decided to remain as a Member of Parliament despite your expulsion. It is well beyond the remit of this court to speculate on what the future holds for you as Member of Parliament for Peterborough.I also take into account your illness, though there is no medical evidence to suggest that your unfortunate condition would make a significant difference to your ability to sustain a period of imprisonment.Standing back, this is at the lower end of offending of this type, for the reasons that I have outlined. It was totally out of character. The fact of conviction has had and will have a disastrous effect upon you for years to come. You do not accept the correctness of the conviction; but I have to sentence on the basis that the disaster which has befallen you is self-inflicted.Ms Agnew has submitted that the facts of this case are so exceptional that I can properly suspend the inevitable prison sentence that I must pass. As I have made clear, I sentence on the basis that I am sure that you acted criminally on 2 November and am not sure that you did so before. That limits the scale and duration of your criminality, and it may be said that you were confronted with a situation that was not initially of your making. However, it was just such a situation as required you to act in accordance with the normal principles by which you ran your life as an individual, a Solicitor and a Member of Parliament.I have reviewed the terms of pages 7 to 9 of the Definitive Guideline on the Imposition of Community and Custodial Sentences. It does not materially assist in showing the way that I should go. On the one hand, there is strong personal mitigation; but on the other are the consistent statements that, for offences such as this, appropriate punishment can only be achieved by immediate custody, even if the resulting sentence is short. The question is whether this is a sufficiently exceptional case.I make plain that I will not treat you more severely because of your position as an MP and former solicitor. That said, as Ms Agnew accepted on your behalf, there cannot be one law for those in positions of power, privilege and responsibility and another for those who are not.Sentence: Mr Onasanya(Stand up)Adopting the approach that I outlined earlier, each of these three counts if treated individually would merit a sentence after trial and taking into account your strong personal mitigation of approximately five months imprisonment. The fact that they are three separate offences would justify the imposition of consecutive sentences. Applying the principle of totality, I consider that an overall sentence of 15 months (which would be the result of imposing three consecutive sentences of 5 months each) would result in a sentence that is longer than necessary to mark the overall criminality of your course of conduct. In my judgment, the appropriate overall sentence before reduction for your plea would be one of 12 months imprisonment. A reduction of 15% for plea would be a reduction of slightly less than 2 months, which I round up to 2 months, leaving an aggregate sentence of 10 months imprisonment.Rather than attempting to adjust individual consecutive sentences or to load all of the criminality into one of the counts, I shall impose concurrent sentences of equal length for each of the three counts.The sentence of the Court on each of Counts 1-3 is therefore that you will go to prison for 10 months on each count, concurrent.Unless released earlier under supervision you will serve half that sentence. Your release will not, however, bring the sentence to an end. If after your release and before the end of your sentence you commit any further offence you may be ordered to return to custody to serve the balance of the original sentence outstanding at the date of the new offence, as well as being punished for that offence. (You may sit down.)

Read more at: https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-mp-fiona-onasanya-jailed-judge-s-sentencing-remarks-in-full-1-8788831
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Twitxhy
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31-01-2019 19:33



lol my names nuthouse and if i drive 2 miles over the speed limit i turn myself in to the police
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Emsarrev
[Corps]
01-02-2019 01:49


Got what she deserved, never signing this.
Karisade
[TSoH]
01-02-2019 06:29



Nuthouse - you've failed to provide any evidence to support points 1, 2 and 5. Your 3rd and 4th points are opinion-based.

That said, I'm glad you've researched the judge's comments. Those who read them in context with the charges will realise what a twisted trial this was.


Marley - I don't blame you for being out-of-touch with British politics, but there's so much prejudice gnawing away at its roots. Wealthy Tory posh-boys get away with fiddling their expenses and tax fraud all the time. This double standard needs to be eliminated.
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Marley
[World]
01-02-2019 07:04



I'm still curious on if an online petition carries any weight in that country, if people that sign the petition aren't citizens? I'm not getting the debate on who did what or not, just really interested to know if the signers need to be citizens of that country.
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Gaztplymouth
[Zen]
01-02-2019 08:50



@Marley, its only open to uk citizens. Its a system whats been in place for years but with the advances in technology its more accessible for people from the before internet singing a paper to now filling in your details online. there is trigger points for responses based on the amount of responses from a member of parliament response through to it having to be talked about in parliament.
Nuthouse
[-DRS-]
01-02-2019 11:01



Twitxhy not the case at all, i break the law on a daily basis, if i get caught i'll admit to it not shirk responsibility and claim a wage for a job im not doing then cry foul about it.
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Nuthouse
[-DRS-]
01-02-2019 11:05



Kari, I commend you for standing up for what you think is an injustice - it is what is great about a democratic society where free speech is allowed.

We could go on all day, but the facts are she was convicted in a court of law and probably will get her sentence increased opposed to reduced on appeal.

She made a silly mistake as we all do in life.
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Deedar
[Corps]
03-02-2019 21:47



This is an absolute joke of a post.

I 100% guarentee if it had been a politician from one of the gangs you dont support you'd be behind the courts decision.

Well done UK justice she got caught she got jailed end of story.
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Foozard
[World]
03-02-2019 22:59



+1 Deedar
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Synth
[InGen]
04-02-2019 05:35



Thing is, I never thought the brief description of her race as 'black' by Kari, offensive. When I read it, and researched it elsewhere, race didn't cross my mind. I more matched the hilariously piggish way she was treated. So many case studies I open and take on to this day, have that as a brief description. (For example, Naomi* is a White woman from Texas, aged whatever). It has social and cultural factors that actually DO matter. So why anyone thinks colorblindness is a solution is beyond me.

I'd also like to clarify that the 'race card' is being used incorrectly. In the case itself, no one said 'hey, you're treating me this way cause I'm this race'. That is pulling the race card. Consider the definition a little more carefully.

Now, he obviously sided with the notion that race had something to do with her punishment. He considered the actions vs. the punishment. That will be open to whatever polar opposite extreme makes you feel most comfortable, I guess. Right?

Do I think race had something to do with it? I'm not sure, I was not there. And no transcript will help save me here. With that said, I also know that race plays too much a part in society, in all societies. RACE is only a social construct that we less-than-creative beings choose to label others who are different from us. Does this mean it's useless data? No. Does this mean that a black and white man could share more DNA than two black men? YES. Get where I'm going with this? I made my decision on the process that she, herself, experienced.

It's so easy and just plain dumb to just say plus 1! or 'this is trash, but I won't give you an intelligent explanation as to why it is'. Please. Keep an open mind.

So what if race is part of it or not. Really look through her case and wonder if she was treated fairly at all. THEN speak. Maybe write something more intelligent than my leftover salsa.

Edited on 04-02-2019 06:14
I love you so much, da. I know that you are resting in peace now, without pain. Thank you for being my mentor, my best friend, and my hero.

10/30/1954 - 2/25/2018
Foozard
[World]
04-02-2019 07:47



@Synth: "Fiona's biggest mistake, it seems, was her failure to be an expense-fiddling white male Tory MP. Had she the foresight to paint her skin white, undergo a sex change and amend her political views, I suspect she'd be up for a knighthood instead of languishing in the clink. This absurd double standard must be flayed out of politics."

This is "The race card" and some more typing that made me stop and think "I don't agree with this". While a lot of what's said here is foreign to me, I don't condone using underhanded remarks in attempts to have someone agree with you not for what actually happened, but because they agree with your thought process. While I will admit I am not fully informed on the entire case, but to say there was no evidence against her is very much so false. There are, afaik, two witnesses claiming to have seen her driving in the area around the same time because, and I quote,
"Dr Christian DeFeo, who had been communication manager on Onasanya’s election campaign, said he and his wife had seen the MP drive to their home, off The Causeway, on July 24."
Not only this, but also gps from her phone showing she was in the area around the same time. This lead to it being a case of 2 witnesses and gps data vs the word of her brother, which was already explained to be false to her by police on the phone in November. It was during this phone call she continued to back her brother's story. I'm sure many people have been told if they're caught doing something they shouldn't, deny deny deny. That is what I personally feel this came down to. She was caught in a lie and did not take the easy way out by letting her brother be the fall man when she had the chance.
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Synth
[InGen]
04-02-2019 14:23



Again, this is the writer's opinion. It wasn't used in the actual case. Just my two cents, of course.
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Foozard
[World]
04-02-2019 19:42



I completely agree it is the writer's opinion, which is why I lead with saying using remarks that appeal to a sense of morality when it was not the case is something I do not agree with. There is less evidence to suggest this had anything to do with her race than how much evidence exists to convict her, which the writer claims there is none. Anytime someone throws in race and/or sex as a determining factor when there is no evidence to support the claim, I will say no that's not something I can agree with in good faith.
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Dragosani
[Wino]
05-02-2019 04:03


I really hoped this had something to do with Shrek. Just my two cents of course.
Nuthouse
[-DRS-]
05-02-2019 11:55



It had nothing to do with race, which is why I questioned the need for the OP to even mention it.

It has more to do about who she is supposed to be, a MP representing the 45 thousand people and more who voted in her election.

I see no reason why to fight the cause for this girl when clearly she's guilty and deserves whatever she gets.
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Karisade
[TSoH]
05-02-2019 18:38



Just a quick update to say we have 324 signatures so far. Thanks to all who have participated!
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Marley
[World]
05-02-2019 22:40



Kari .. you may want to let the folks here know that only signatures from people in that country will matter on the petition, if it's even accepted. At least that is what I have been told.
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Karisade
[TSoH]
10-02-2019 18:50



Marley - As far as I'm aware, anyone can sign the petition regardless of which country they live in. I recently signed an American petition on change.org and had no problems getting my signature through.
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